You say 2013 was a bad year for Geno? In the end yes, but according to this article he showed some promise as a rookie. http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/art...me-Think/436e8bd1-6e4f-4b13-8105-50d68e942cd9 He completed plenty of passes to Kerley and Nelson, tucked the ball and ran, etc. Stephen Hill was a bust but Nelson was decent and so was Kerley. What Smith does, and continued to do in the 2014 season, was make poor decisions with the ball interceptions, no game management, which resulted in losses. When I say receivers in the NFL are good, I think they are good enough to play at that level. The problem here is Smith supporters will continue to see how others fail "as a supporting cast". If the Jets lose going forward it will be Marshall and Deckers fault I am sure. The pattern will just continue. The pressure on Smith to produce this year must be astronomical and in a way I feel sorry for him. Probably headed for inpatient care. I dont wish GS, you and all his fan bois bad luck. I just want a winning season .
that you think anyone who has played a position in the NFL is good enough to play in the NFL is NOT borne out by the numbers of players who try out, get cut, or try out and are dismissed. Guys like Gholston, Stephen Hill, David Nelson among others who appear to be good enough but, after provided the opportunity are shown not to be good enough. and, since this is the foundation of your post, it seems like the basic premise is invalid. Just because someone appears to be good, doesn't mean that they actually ARE good. That would apply to guys like Ryan Leaf and, possibly, Geno Smith. Cause, really, if you're saying that everyone's good enough, that would have to apply to everyone who has ever played in the NFL, Smith included. As to how Smith's fans would support him if he fails with good players at the skill positions and on the OL, well, you're just speculating at this point and, really, it's not something I'm looking forward to proving or disproving. Be negative on Smith, that's your own choice. But your arguments seem without any real factual basis: the guys that Smith had to throw to, the guys who were tasked with protecting him have not been very good, a fact that is supported by their being cut and/or others being brought in to challenge and/or replace them. Notice that Smith has NOT been replaced. So, apparently others agree with the supposition that he needed more weapons and better protection to be given a legitimate chance to succeed. Often players aren't provided that opportunity. In this particular case, Smith HAS been provided with upgrades to the receiver corps and the OL has been buttressed with a number of players who may prove to be better at OG than the incumbents. It will be up to Smith to make the most advantage of these seeming improvements. if he doesn't I'll be reexamining my support for him. But I'm not going to let wild speculation influence me nor will I let a faulty inflated assessment of the talent around him.
It'll be interesting to see how much patience Bowles has with Geno. The Cardinals played some truly terrible QB's over the past few years when Carson Palmer was not available to play. Some people think that Bowles will give Geno enough rope to hang himself but I'm not sure that's the case. Everybody in the organization wants to win next season. I wouldn't be surprised to see Bowles with a very quick hook if he thinks the Jets are being held back by Geno.
I think the presence of Fitpatrick on the sidelines and the familiarity he has with Gailey's system will make it a lot easier to pull Geno if he shows he's the same QB we've come to know the past 2 seasons.
I don't think even the biggest Geno fan can say with a straight face that losses will be on Decker and Marshall this year. Geno's first two seasons though, yeah, the WR corp was terrible. At one point in 2013, there wasn't a single WR playing that was in training camp. I'll give you Kerley, but Nelson? Really? If he could play in the NFL, he would still be playing in the NFL. As long as there aren't any injuries, the only supporting cast that you could blame now would be the OL. But a perfect example of how a supporting cast can make all the difference is Marc Bulger with the Rams. He went from a Pro Bowl MVP to being the most sacked QB in NFL for a few years because his OL and WR corp became terrible. But this year, it is all on Geno, though his QB coach has already made the excuse that it is a new offense for him to learn.
Yep, I think Geno has to win a couple of games right off the bat for the team. If they're 0-2 or 1-1 with an anemic offense I think Fitzgerald is going to start game 3. Waiting until the bye in that situation could cripple the season even though the bye is week 5.
We play @Colts week 2 in prime time. If we go 1-1 (losing against the Colts, but beating the Browns), I can't really see Fitz starting week 3. We're fully expected to lose that game, though the Colts are certainly not unbeatable. Maybe it'll more have to do how badly we lose, but losing outright won't be Geno's death sentence.
Disagree. You No factual basis? Smith has been rated the 29th or 30th rated QB in the league. Smith has not been cut or replaced because RF has a broken leg, plus his contract is nothing and the Jets have no choice. And Fitz was brought in to challenge Geno, once healthy. Why? he has" not been very good" as you say about the OL If a good deal for a vet qb was out there Mac would grab him. Thats all we need to know. End of story I am anticipating the whole excusitis for Smith come this season.Yes, thats speculating but its based on past homer post He has has everything on silver platter now and I still have my doubts. I dont try to be negative just how I feel about GS objectively Glad to hear you will be examining your Geno support. Start by taking off the rose colored glasses
O-line and the receivers have been an issue, but to me it's his decision making; and how long it takes for him to make one. He holds onto the football far too long. A lot of his mistakes contribute to that.
If Chan and Bowles decide to yoink Geno, our W/L record may not be all that important. We could be 0-3 with Geno playing very well, and the CS deciding to play it out a bit longer. We could be 3-0 with Geno playing like a pile of scared dog shit (we won a bunch of these in 2013). Geno could be the first 'winning QB' to get the hook in a while. It's important to give your QB 3 yrs and good weapons to sink or swim. I don't see Bowles jumping the gun on Geno. We'll see.
I think it would come down to how the offense is doing at that point. If we won a tight game against the Browns and then lost a game against the Colts and the offense was misfiring in both games I think Geno sits down at that point. Obviously if the coaching staff thought he was about to turn a corner they might do something else but the last two seasons there have been no corners, just a long circular progression trending downwards with a spike upwards at the end of the season. I don't think the spiral is going to happen this year. I think we need evidence early on that he has turned the corner.
I also think Chan Gailey will have a huge say in ultimately what Bowles decides. Gailey, after all, knows Fitzpatrick well and he is known to help mediocre (or worse) QBs like Geno turn into something decent.
As for the Colts, I don't know whether their D will be improved this year, but they don't strike me as particularly challenging. It's more a question of whether the Jet O plays well than of the final score, although of course the Jet D might keep the team in a game like that even against Luck and company.
The Jet D should keep the Jets in this game. It really will be on the offense to score the 24 points the Jets will need to have a decent chance to win the game. The Colts don't have enough talent around Luck to dominate teams with a good defense.
Actually that could easily be one of the few games where the D is at risk of giving up 30+. They've got 2 speedsters in Hilton and Dorsett and a huge possession receiver in Andre Johnson. We've got one shutdown corner and 2 decent ones but that's a huge task for Cro and Skrine. Throw in Fleener and Gore plus a QB like Luck and I could see a scenario in which our defense is overmatched.
If Luck gets the time for deep routes to develop you're correct. I don't think that's going to happen. I think he's going to be trying to hit slants and dropping the ball off to his outlet much more often than he usually does. If Hilton and Dorsett can beat the press coverage then things might get dicey.
Yep. and regarding your previous post I think that Indy wins most shootouts, but can lose games against D's that take their O out of the comfort zone.
Self quoting here. Last week I noted that there was a significant dropoff in Geno's play after the 3rd game of the season (Bears). Despite a 1-2 record, Geno's tape is actually very promising against the Raiders, Packers and Bears, save for one egregious red zone decision against Chicago. He was way more comfortable and effective mechanically than I ever saw him in 2013, gliding through the pocket, going through progressions and throwing with confidence. After that Bears game, he absolutely fell off a cliff until his benching. It's occurred to me that his biggest on field problem is his maneuvering of the pocket. When he's doing it well, it allows him more time to throw downfield, survey the coverage and go through his progressions. However, sometimes he will turn into an absolute statue in the pocket and not move under any circumstance; he becomes so fixated on his first read that he can't even leave his mark. Manning and Brady aren't mobile quarterbacks, but their manipulation of the pocket is what allows them to consistently get beyond their first read regardless of OL play. In my original post, I attributed his streaky play to a dependence on momentum; when he played well, he continued to play well, but when he played poorly, he commenced in a downward spiral. However, this is way too convenient of an excuse. There was a 3 game stretch at the beginning of the year where I approved of his play, followed by a 5 game stretch where he was awful, then another 4 game stretch where he was good again (post- benching). I figured there must have been some extenuating factor that had this effect. So I went back in time and looked for what changed between the Bears and Lions game that could have had such a drastic impact on his play. Think I might've found it: "After last week's loss to the Chicago Bears, it seemed Mornhinweg was under the impression that the Jets offense struggled because Smith was asked to do too much. As a result, the offense was scaled back to a remedial level. What Mornhinweg got in return were remedial results." (cont: http://forums.theganggreen.com/threads/geno-smith-and-the-one-read-offense.82006/) Also: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...s-coaches-predetermined-throws-for-geno-smith I think Geno was completely neutered by the coaching staff. It was perplexing to me why there was such an immediate, drastic regression evident in his tape, and something like that is all I can think of to explain it. If we can get Geno from the first 3 or last 4 games of the year for an entire season; we'll be fine. I just hope that the inconsistency he showed last year was a result of a factor like the one I cited rather than an inexplicable inherent streakiness that Geno has.
Luck also has an alarming propensity to turn the ball over, especially early in the game. Hopefully our revamped defense can improve the abysmal takeaway numbers. A couple early ones and our physical backs can try to exploit the Colts' lack of presence on the interior defensive line and play ball control for the remainder of the game.
