What's wrong with starting a rookie QB?

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  1. AugustWest

    AugustWest Active Member

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    Why do you think losing 2 straight AFCCG's is some sort of significant accomplishment?

    And BTW, Sanchez was just along for the ride.
     
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  2. JetLifeLo

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    Nothing is wrong with it when you have a team with little to no expectations. THis is a team that damn near HAS to make the playoffs after a 4 year drought. And we have a nice grip of vet talent entering the beginning of the end of their careers so things aren't going to get any easier in the future. Can't go out there with a project player at quarterback or we'll end up at best 9-7 like sanchez's rookie year.. even though about 4 of those 7 losses were due to Sanchez's inexperience.
     
  3. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    Sanchez did NOT take us to 2 AFCCGs. Stop that nonsense. He may have taken us to two ACFCGs however (whatever that is). ;):p
     
  4. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    That wasn't the case when he played your Pats.
     
  5. Quinnenthebeast

    Quinnenthebeast Well-Known Member

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    Question: what type of back issues did Petty have? Is it something he is going to have to play through his entire career or will it completely heal?
     
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    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    It's healed now it just happened his senior year, similar injury to Romo and his back but on a lesser scale.

    Scouts questioned it a little bit but it didn't kill his stock.
     
  7. lockgang

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    You really haven't been paying attention if you're "reading" or "hearing" that he's struggling, pretty badly. He's not struggling at all. The media attention he's gotten from both preseason games has been positive, especially the 2nd preseason game. He's killing it in TN. He's got full support from the players and coaching staff because he's grasped their offense so quickly.

    If you're a really good qb, you don't need extra time to sit/learn the offense. Petty isn't in the same league as Mariota or Winston, so that's why he needs to sit a year or two.

    We were one of like 3 teams that spent the most time with Mariota leading up to the draft. We should have sold the farm for him.
     
  8. Footballgod214

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    I am where you were at the beginning......huge struggle. thanks for your words of motivation!
     
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    Apparently you missed his game against NE.
     
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    haha word.

    Sanchez was along for the ride most of the season, but he really stepped it up in the POs, to his credit.
     
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  11. NCJetsfan

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    Sigh. Well, Mr. Know-it-all, this is the only football site I read/follow. I saw comments regarding his 1st preseason game and maybe one other comment and both were negative. I hadn't seen anything since, so forgive me for not having ESP or having time to scour the internet. I was wrong. Big effing deal. Deal with it. It wasn't the first time I've been wrong, and won't be the last.

    OTOH, YOU haven't been paying attention to this site, because I was one of Mariota's biggest fans on this site, and was willing for the Jets to trade up to get him. In the comments I've made since I made that post, two others have given me updated information and I praised him in those posts, so you either need to learn how to comprehend what you read, or need to pay more attention yourself. Pot, kettle.
     
  12. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    He did step it up in the playoffs and play very well. I will give him that.
     
  13. rico college

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    Sancho had almost nothing to do with making it to AFCCG's.

    That being said, I don't have an issue starting a rookie QB. On the job training.
     
  14. Footballgod214

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    Except for the 4 road PO wins, most in Jets history, and beating Manning and Brady along the way. Other than that, he didn't do squat.
     
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    You can do it, Footballgod214! Hang in there, tough it out. You'll be glad you did.
     
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    thanks!
     
  17. LIJetsFan

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    I don't see why Jets fans take that above bolded statement for granted. I think with Mac at the helm, a talent scout, that we'll never become a hollowed out hulk of a team as has happened under both Tanny and Idzik.
     
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  18. Br4d

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    The point about Roethlisberger is that he didn't have to establish any leadership early on and the Steelers set up a situation where it was impossible for him to do that.

    It was only after he'd recovered from his trip over the handlebars that he began to emerge as a leader. Before that he was just a young player in a room full of vets who had been through the wars.

    The 2005 Super Bowl winning Steelers were led by a bunch of vets and the emerging young star was a safety, not the QB. The 2008 Super Bowl winning Steelers were fully in the grasp of the QB.
     
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  19. NCJetsfan

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    I agree vis-a-vis Bowles and Mac, but can understand why Jets fans think/feel that way. Any Jets fan who has been rooting for the team any time at all has been burned, disappointed, crushed, angered, enraged, driven absolutely freaking bonkers by this team.

    Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice,....
     
  20. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    Roethlisberger has no real leadership skills... he's just good at his position. He's a meathead who can throw the football well. When he recovered from his accident is when he emerged as a good football player - not as a leader.

    leadership and talent often get blurred together... especially at the QB position. If Geno Smith was a good QB on Sundays in the Fall, everything else the same, no one would question his leadership skills and he probably wouldn't have been punched in the face. A reserve LB isn't punching out a Pro Bowl QB no matter how much of a d-bag both guys are.

    Joe Flacco is practically mute off the field... and almost aloof on the field. There's no way he's a team leader there. But he plays very good at QB on Sundays. He's a leader right?

    Jay Cutler has been a d-bag his whole career, college and professional. Only when he struggled on the field did people question his leadership. When he took the SEC by storm at crappy Vanderbilt and/or when he was lighting the scoreboard up in Denver and Early in Chicago there was a different narrative about his leadership.why is that?

    A football team's leadership doesn't have to come from the QB position and leadership has very little to do with how they perform in their position. Ideally you'd want a guy good at football and a team leader at the position but you could say the same thing about any spot on the field
     
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