I doubt Hoyer will command anywhere near $7mm per. They might be able to get him for $8mm for 2 years.
The difference between Hoyer and Fitz should be obvious. Besides lacking Fitz's ability to avoid sacks, fumbles and run with the ball, Hoyer is likely being brought in as a veteran back-up to compete with Geno and likely back up Geno. While Fitz would be here to start.
If I remember correctly, we were pursuing Hoyer last year, before he decided to join Houston, prompting us to trade for their scrap (Fitzpatrick). If you also factor in experience/age, is 30 year old Hoyer really any worse than 30 year old Fitzpatrick was?
Last offseason I was hoping the Jets would target Hoyer. Instead the Texans signed him, made Fitzpatrick expendable, and traded him to the Jets. Turned out pretty well for the Jets and Hoyer completely face planted in Houston. Now I obviously prefer Fitzpatrick but he needs to sign soon. If not: Hoyer is a decent option. Training camp battle with petty and Geno would ensue.
Hoyer's stats for the 11 games that he played aren't bad 60.7 - 2,606 - 19 - 7 - 91.4 If we blow out yards, tds and ints to represent 16 games we have numbers not totally different than Fitz 3790 28 10 Compared to the 16 Fitz started 59.6 3,905 31 15 88.0 The main difference being that Hoyer choked in the playoffs and Fitz chocked b4 the playoffs
Pick this scrub up;it gives Petty a better chance to win over the job in training camp. Feet to the fire
but was there reason to believe Fitzpatrick was suddenly going to play way better than he ever had before last season? better yet, you have 2 careers that look fairly similar (Fitz & Hoyer) over the course of a combined 18 years. One guy blows up for 1 big year statistically (Fitz 2015). Should that now be seen as how that guy plays or rather as the one statistical outlier? If you think the 1 year out of 18 will be difficult to match then why would you pay that guy significantly more money than the other guy? Contracts should be given based on projected future returns not on what a guy has done in the past. Personally I think they are similar players and while I would give the edge to Fitzpatrick if they cost the same I wouldn't if he wants a lot more money. Bringing Hoyer in might simply be a ploy to negotiate with Fitzpatrick to bring him down to similar demands. But if it doesn't.... I'd rather go with the option of paying the one player what he's worth vs. paying the other more, when we can expect reasonably similar returns.
True now indeed. However, Fitz was acquired in 2015 with the same premise....and then things changed, because of a punch I might add and not because of Fitz stellar pre-season performance. At this point 'Ill take my lumps with Geno, Petty and a cheap back up/rookie and in no way shape or form pay Fitz that BS request. He isn't that much of a difference maker. Fitz totally over achieved last year, and we were very happy to see that, but let us not for one second think that he is much more than a solid, protect the fort game manager. He wont loose many games by costly turn overs, but he is hardly who we want under center when we are behind the power curve and need fast strikes.
Their careers don't look at all similar. Hoyer wasn't a starter until 2 years ago. Last year was the only time he threw more TDs than INTs. Fitz has thrown more TDs than INTs as a starter for 6 straight seasons.
Again - he had his best seasons with Gaily, so yes, there was reason to believe he would be able to play at a higher level. Hoyer is a career backup who has never been able to hold a starting job more than part of a season. Fitz had several full seasons as a starter. The difference is quite clear to me.
Fitzpatrick has a pretty simple decision to make Posted by Mike Florio on April 19, 2016, 11:18 AM EDT AP With free-agent quarterback Brian Hoyer visiting the Jets, free-agent quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick’s dilemma could soon be fully crystallized. Does he take what the Jets are offering, or does he let them sign Hoyer? Hoyer was due to make only $4 million in 2016, but the Texans were unable to find a trade partner for him. Which suggests that the market for Hoyer is less than $4 million. Let’s assume Hoyer would take $3 million for 2016. Let’s assume Fitzpatrick wants $15 million. Would a team rather have Hoyer for 20 percent of what it would cost to get Fitzpatrick? The Jets may soon be answering that question. For Fitzpatrick, the real question is how little he is willing to play for? With the Jets believed to be somewhere in the range of $8 million and no one else putting the kind of offer on the table to prompt Fitzpatrick to make that team his fifth in five years, Fitzpatrick can wait for things to change, or he can take the best deal he can get and continue with his career. That’s not criticism. It’s reality. We’re all worth whatever someone will pay us. Despite the absence of sufficiently good quarterbacks in the NFL and notwithstanding Fitzpatrick’s career-high numbers in 2015 (3,905 yards passing, 31 touchdowns), the demand isn’t there, at least not at the level Fitzpatrick apparently is targeting. So he either cuts his best deal or he keeps waiting. If he waits too long, the seat that makes the most sense for him could end up getting filled.
You guys have an overinflated view of Ryan Fitzpatrick. He's an average at best QB that could be solid if put in the right situation. Hoyer is an average at best QB that could be solid if put in the right situation. They're both high turnover/bad decision making QB's that could give you a decent stretch of games and look good. Both are injury prone, both are journeymen. One is just 3 years younger than the other with a stronger arm.
I agree for the most part, I just think Hoyer is a slightly below average QB at best. One might be three years younger but the other has experience in Gailey's system and good chemistry with our receivers. If both are the same price, I take Fitz. But at half the cost I think it's a no brainer
You're talking about seasons where Fitzpatrick barely threw for more TDs than INTs though. He's always been a ~60% completion, close to even TD/INT guy. That's similar to Hoyer. Last year was unlike anything he's ever done before and he looked like himself in the final game of the year. Fitz also sat many years until getting a starting shot. I'd argue the only real difference is that Fitzpatrick has played more years and last year had a hell of a 5 game stretch. A 5 game stretch in an 11 year career. Is that worth the over 12+ million annually vs. what? 4 million, 1 year deal, we could get Hoyer at? I dont think so. ---- Even at midseason last year- did you think Fitzpatrick was anything different than how he was always? after the Houston game he was a 58% passer, 16TDs-12 turnovers, with his best win being the home win vs. Washington... 5-4 record. (i took out the Oakland game b/c he played 1 series) That's 9 games where Fitzpatrick was very Fitzpatrick-like, very Hoyer like. most of the season. then he ripped off that 5 game stretch. Good for him. good for us. but should we really think of him as a different player because of 5 games? Do you realize that prior to that Miami, Giants, Tennessee stretch of games that Fitzpatrick never went 3 games in a row where he started and finished without at least 1 turnover. 11 year career. 3 games.
