Fire Mike Maccagnan?

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Fire Mike Maccagnan?

  1. Yes - He is as responsible as anyone else for this mess!

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  2. No - Not enough of this is his fault for him to be fired.

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  1. AllHackettsSuck

    AllHackettsSuck Well-Known Member

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    Should the Jets fire Mike Maccagnan?
     
  2. Cman69

    Cman69 The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

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    Well, if Mac had real GM powers, I'd have to hold him more accountable but since that isn't the case, he gets a mulligan where as Bowles gets to catch it with both barrels as he dictates who plays and what the game plan is no matter how mundane that may be.
     
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  3. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    While i don't think anyone should be fired yet, i don understand why he is teflon. What has he done that is so great? right now his drafts look mediocre at best, is there anyone other than williams that doesn't look replaceable from the 2 draft classes? overpaid revis, had to have fitz back even though most knew what was going to happen. his first 2 years look alot like tannys last 2. but he can still turn it around so i won't call for his head yet. right now color me very unimpressed
     
  4. RonPi

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    He did everything right upto the season starting. How can we blame him? We all were happy with his moves for the most part. I cannot blame him for this team falling apart during the season.
     
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  6. RonPi

    RonPi Well-Known Member

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    What moves? What players has he brought in? Aging Marshall? Who else? What draft picks have been great or even good?

    https://theringer.com/nfl-week-11-recap-seattle-seahawks-russell-wilson-16ed1dea90c7#.tkl0kw16l
    "New England remains the NFL’s standard for staying power, and in a way Seattle has followed the Pats’ model. Finding the right quarterback–head coach pairing to form the foundation of a franchise matters above all else. The Patriots have built all kinds of teams on that rock-solid base — some early in Tom Brady’s career that won behind defense and ball control, others that leaned heavily on the run game come playoff time, and a few that featured the most lethal passing offenses ever — but no matter the makeup they were made possible because of the Brady–Bill Belichick tandem."

    Ron
     
  7. nevbeats319

    nevbeats319 Well-Known Member

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    Go back to my posts a few years back when he went nuts on overpaying for the secondary and drafting another DT, I was not happy with those moves then and now they look worse. Yes, Leanard Williams looks like a good player, but we didn't need him. Other then Williams, not one draft pick has worked out. His selection of a head coach does not look good and thinking about it even deeper, he was with the Houston Texans...recommended by Charlie Casserly......enough said.
     
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  8. PennyRoyal10

    PennyRoyal10 Well-Known Member

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    I think there should've been a "quit" option as well. Because if I am Mac, I ask Woodrow for the authority to fire the HC and if he says, 'no', I hand him my resignation before I get shit canned do to his flawed chain-of-command...
     
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  9. dawinner127

    dawinner127 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, lets keep throwing shit out until we find ourselves a HoF QB and a HoF Coach. Come on.
     
  10. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    His resume is better than his results. His drafts haven't been much better than Idzik's at this point. We still have four starters on the team from Idzik's two drafts. Right this moment, we have the same amount from Maccagnan's although Jenkins/Mauldin have been non-factors while Winters/Sheldon/Enunwa all look to be quality starters.

    Maccagnan has also destroyed our cap situation, which he better repair this offseason. We're basically going back to where we were once Idzik was fired assuming Revis/Harris, etc. get cut. Tons of cap space and unproven young players.
     
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  11. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    if mac signs romo in the offseason this will be mangini/tanny 2.0 except mangini had an eye for talent
     
  12. Jonathan_Vilma

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    Yes, specifically on the defensive side of the ball and in the secondary. Mangini also made good use of his lower tier free agent signings. Hank Poteat, Kenyon Coleman and David Bowens come to mind as solid depth players and somewhat contributors. He would've been a good coach if he hadn't tried so hard to be Belichick Jr.

    Maccagnan has been as much of a disaster as Idzik was up until this point and you're right, it's eerily similar. We got Ivory for a 4th (Idzik), Marshall for a 5th, both of whom were the center pieces of the offense for two years. BOTH have had subpar drafts up until this point. The differences are that Idzik had more draft picks to work with, although he never got the opportunity to use the cap space he created so who knows what direction he would've went with it.

    As far as I'm concerned, Idzik honestly had the franchise in a much better position to rebuild than Maccagnan did. After cutting all these veterans (presumably unless they sign Romo; they're all gonna stay) this offseason we're back to a relatively bare cupboard with a few more younger players in the box and in the receiving core.
     
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  13. hastygreen

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    no, not yet he came in playing with house money. Figuring out what to do with Revis,OL, QB situation, CB situation next season is going to make his bones one way or another. Either we have a pretty good GM or he's a dud. Honestly I'd toss Bowles overboard long before Mac.
     
  14. LongIslandBlitz

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    His drafts have been awful...Zero production out of his last 2 second round picks.Devin Smith is Dee Millner,Hackenberg isnt ready to play the position he has played his entire life?If he doesnt hit on this draft id hit the restart button.
     
  15. Jeremy2020

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    Needs a 3rd option, "Yes, but can't because they just fired another GM after 2 years and would have trouble getting a Syrian refugee to take the job even if it came with a green card."
     
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    Normally I'd be interested in seeing Bowles and Macc get the can at this point, or at the least be raked over the coals, but the TGG powers that be seem so focused on letting the forum content be turned into the most pathetic garbage site content possible...

    So now I'm content to watch these guys keep their jobs and enrage the New Order of Dumbasses that now floods the boards regularly.

    Hell yeah.
     
  17. Cman69

    Cman69 The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

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    Sounds like a good opportunity to take a brief hiatus from the board Byz. Insulting both the board and its membership is unacceptable. You should know that by now.

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  18. footballfundamentals

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    Absolutely no firings. The only big red flag is the late signing of Fitz.

    No one in there right minds? Expected Hackenburg to be ready as he was drafted as a 2-3 year project.

    Revis has aged quickly, unfortunately. Decker injured.

    We need to rebuild our offensive line.

    Schedule more difficult. How about drafting a stud TE?

    Just some random thoughts..

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    That being said, if we draft defense in the first round, I will be pissed!
     
  20. Mainejet

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    There's NO doubt in my mind that Mac shoulders some of the blame for shit show. He did his share. Say what you'd like, but OL as probably the BIGGEST need this team had. The idea of saying, "fuck the OL, what we have will be fine for another season." is a complete idiot decision.

    I have said since day one, drafting Darron Lee and Christian Hackenberg was pure STUPIDITY. Darron Lee is a part time niche player at best. He's NOT what you would expect from a 1st round draft choice. What should be expected from a 1st rounder is to have a player that: 1)Plays every down, not just when the Jets happen to line up in a 4-3 formation. When you waste all of the equity in a 1st rounder for that little a benefit, what does that tell you about your GM? It tells you he's a dumb shit that completely ignored the bigger picture. The fact is, if Darron Lee were available in the 4th or 5th round to confront a very specific need? That's a very good pick. When you waste a 1st rounder? It makes you look pretty dumb. 2) Confronts a need.......Darron Lee confronts a VERY specific need and certainly not a huge need like OL was. Not to mention he is vastly undersized and will/has gotten owned by pulling Guards.

    Christian Hackenberg???? WTF are the NYJ, a fucking QB resurrection institute???? Hackenberg is a HUGE gamble and a 2nd rounder was Mac's last opportunity at getting a need player in an OL.

    The fact is, he completely mismanaged the draft and he DOES deserve a lot of blame for this complete crap that we get to watch every weekend.

    All in all, it's Todd Bowles that absolutely must go. He sucks far wore than Mac ever even thought. I think Mac should stay knowing he'd better start unfucking what he fucked up.............
     
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