Well, right. Jets didn't have the kind of cap apocalypse as some of others did. But... consider this: 1. You DON'T give 5 year extension to 32 year old halfback. (Ok? Same goes to Chrebet situation.) Because of this idiocy, he had to see LaMont Jordan walk away from the team. Shaping a franchise for years to come? Tell me about it. This Jets team started the season without a legitimate feature runningback, if you can recall. 2. Look at all the patch-work free agent signings. If he had a head to think, he would have picked someone from the draft, and let that talent go at it. That way, the experience is not lost, as is the case with old free agents. Oh, yeah. Herm was a mule when it came to utilizing the newly acquired talents. As you pointed out, one of the GMs' responsibility is to hire coaches - not just any coach, but the right one. If he realized that Herm wasn't going to get younger on the roster, and bringing in free agents wasn't going to help the cause either, he should have cut the ties some time or the other. Did he have the guts to pull the trigger? I don't think so.
Yea, I would say Bradway and team did a commendable job in the draft over his five years as GM. His 2001 draft (moss-jordan-mckenzie) was about as solid a draft as we've had, and compares favorably to 2000 (Ellis-Abraham-Pennington-Coles) and 2006 so far (Brick-Mangold-Clemens-Washington-Smith). However, he was absolutely horrible at playing poker when it came to negotiating with other GMs (2005 trade for Jolley) or player agents (bad free agents like Beasley, etc). That's where having Mr. T running the show from the business/contracts perspective is a winning proposition for the Jets (holding out for the trade of Abraham for #29 is looking very good right now).
As has been mentioned in this thread, Bradway's problem was dealing with free agency, player contracts, and overall value. He was and still is a pretty good scout.
Pretty much feel the same. I don't give him credit for Vilma because that was a No Brainer. IMO,Bradway messed up more than he "Succeeded" in most of his decisions. F'ed up on the Coles Deal, the 2 picks for D-Rob, Overpaid contract extensions, Allowing Solid players to leave. He did more damage than good.
I don't know if I want to fault him for D-Rob pick though. Look at the following table: 1 Cincinnati Carson Palmer QB Southern California 2 Detroit Charles Rogers WR Michigan State 3 Houston Andre Johnson WR Miami 4 N.Y. Jets Dewayne Robertson DT Kentucky 5 Dallas Terence Newman CB Kansas State 6 New Orleans Johnathan Sullivan DT Georgia 7 Jacksonville Byron Leftwich QB Marshall 8 Carolina Jordan Gross T Utah 9 Minnesota Kevin Williams DT Oklahoma State 10 Baltimore Terrell Suggs DE Arizona State 11 Seattle Marcus Trufant CB Washington State 12 St. Louis Jimmy Kennedy DT Penn State 13 New England Ty Warren DE Texas A&M 14 Chicago Michael Haynes DE Penn State 15 Philadelphia Jerome McDougle DE Miami 16 Pittsburgh Troy Polamalu SS Southern California 17 Arizona Bryant Johnson WR Penn State 18 Arizona Calvin Pace DE Wake Forest 19 Baltimore Kyle Boller QB California 20 Denver George Foster T Georgia 21 Cleveland Jeff Faine C Notre Dame 22 Chicago Rex Grossman QB Florida 23 Buffalo Willis McGahee RB Miami 24 Indianapolis Dallas Clark TE Iowa 25 N.Y. Giants William Joseph DT Miami 26 San Francisco Kwame Harris T Stanford 27 Kansas City Larry Johnson RB Penn State 28 Tennessee Andre Woolfolk CB Oklahoma 29 Green Bay Nick Barnett MLB Oregon State 30 San Diego Sammy Davis CB Texas A&M 31 Oakland Nnamdi Asomugha CB California 32 Oakland Tyler Brayton OLB Colorado First of all, 4th pick belonged to Chicago, and Jets had 14th and 22nd pick. See anyone good? I mean, Less than half the draft above are starting at this point. I don't see anyone attractive - well, maybe Kevil Williams? He would have been long gone by 14th pick anyway, no? You see, all the attractive DT picks would have been gone either way - so I can't really blame Bradway on that account. (Maybe I am thinking in a wrong way)
He doesn't get credit for vilma b/c it was a no brainer? but he gets blame fopr Robertson who was also a no brainer? he didn't F up the Coles deal, he made the right call. Washington overpaid him, there was nothing we could do. We got the extra pick and we got Robertson. Go back and look at those wash deasl and we came out better in every single one of them. The only overpaid contract extensions were Curtis but that was something we had to do b/c of the contract the previous regime gave him and Chrebet. if we didn't extend Wayne we would have kept Coles. He did the right thing giving Chad a new deal(it's not his fault he got hurt), Ellis, mawae, etc... and did the right thing by NOT giving Abe a new deal. His drafts were good to very good, his FAs were good. he did a very good job here but he'll always get blamed. I just find it hysterical how Bp gets credit for players that succeed after he left but TB doesn't and it's also funny how people forgte all the talent that BP inherited here but that's ok but if Herm/Tb inherit players it's a knock on them. Anyway, who cares. we are 7-5 and control our own playoff destiny. That's all I care about.
he did a good job in FA, he didn't overpay guys which is key. Everyone was up in arms over over exposing Glenn, Coleman and young int he expansion darft well that got us out of cap hell and he retooled us to win a division in 2002. Everyone was up in arms over the Washington FA losses after '02 but we came out looking better in every single deal. You just can't overpay players that aren't worth it. He didn't get the big prize in FA but thsoe guys usually don't work out(ask washington).
I'm extremely happy with Bradway being the lead scout for this franchise. I am even more happy with the way our FO/CS has turned out. Bradway was a roller coaster GM, did a lot of great things, and a lot of miserable things.
C'mon now..... Bryan Thomas = took the final year of his contract to be worth a S-..... was drafted instead of Ed Reed to boot (then followed up with Jon McGraw as safety was a team need) Jerricho Cotchery = very happy with this player. Lets not annoint him to the ProBowl yet, but still a good pick Dewayne Robertson = 2 1st rd picks and a 4th to get this guy, he's not that good. Cedric Houston= good pick Kerry Rhodes= good pick Vilma = no brainer. Every JETS fan in the world was predicting that pick Barton = good aquisition Coles = drafted by Tuna, then Bradway totally blew his tender, letting him go off to DC. If he would've handled the situations properly, the JETS would have Coles and Moss Baker= serviceable player Let's not forget about some of the awful contract handling, totally ignoring the o-line until it turned into last years mess....... see-ya Hermway :grin:
-Robertson was a top DT in 2004 for us. -Coles was drafted by Groh and we were wise not to overpay, we still amde the div rd w/o him and we wouldn't have him and Moss. We wouldn't pay 2 Wrs top money and we got the better of the 2.
-Yes Vilma was a No Brainer -Trading 2 #1's for a DT was a horrible move. There are a few on that List that would have made an Impact .You mean Ty Warren hasn't made the same impact as Robertson? also, We were Trying out safeties a dime a dozen back then so Palamalu wasn't even on our radar I Guess. -No, He refused to give good players money and then patched it up by bringing in "Cheaper" talent to fill their spots. -He Did Fuk up the Coles deal because he fugged up the offer that would have gotten the JETS an extra Pick. That has nothing to do with Making a Big $$$ offer. A GM should know things like that and when He fuks it up he should be held accountable. -Oh Right, Giving a 30 yr old RB an 8yr overpaid deal is the fault of the Previous guy. -A 2nd Rd Pick for McCareins. That's was great! Who did he get to Replaced these guys? -McKenzie OL -Thomas OL -Jordan RB -Fergueson DT Funny how those were our Problem areas. Coincidence? NOPE. He just sucked at filling our needs and Made things worse when he didn't sign our best players. Some players have panned out but to say he was Great or Very Good is a Serious Stretch. IMO
wasn't Tuna Groh's GM? Not the contract, the tender. A higher tender placed on his RFA status could've prevented him from getting the fat contract offer, or at least gotten more draft picks for the JETS. I agree that Coles is better than Moss, but good negotiating could've kept both.
Parcells always said groh was the one responsible for that draft, he gave groh all the credit/blame when we traded Key but now years later Bp wants credit b/c those moves worked out but check out BP's drafts from '97-'99 and you'll see he most likely didn't make those picks in '00. Even if things worked out perfectly mos wouldn't be here. if we kept Coles Moss wanted a new deal and we werent giving him one. At best we would have had Moss through last year but that wouldn't have helped w/ all our QB injuries.
Funny Dewayne was a Top Player for our D when he had Ferg next to him and when Ferg Left and It was D-Robe we became one of the Worst Teams against the run? Huh? How did that Happen? Oh Because Chicago Picked 2 losers means we would have picked the same guys? Dude, Read my posts when you reply. I touched on what we needed back then I know you read them...... :wink:
Yep and Dewyane is a top player again this year- where is ferg? I watched that dallas game yesterday and didn't hear Ferg's name called once. We needed a big time DT back then and we got one, we got our big time Safety 2 years later. Every draft teams can look back and say we should ahve taken this guy- how amny teams are kicking themselvs over not taking Rhodes? By the way, I don't see the complaints about thre Jolley trade anymore even though it was obvious at the time we made a great trade.
OK, guys, listen up. This concerns the Martin extension. BRADWAY HAD NO CHOICE!! Remember the "poison pill" that Parcells used to get Martin away from the Pats? It had to be dealt with. There was no option in this, Royal Tee. So no, Bradway should NOT be held accountable for that. He had no other choice but to offer an extension. To not deal with it would have crippled the Jets even worse. Remember, Parcells handed out a lot of money in stupid contracts right before he quit.
including giving Bryan cox a big deal that he knew the jets couldn't keep him so we signed him after the season and he had to be cut when the new regime took over costing us millions on the cap.
