To me this is the same as “omg we passed on Lamar”. Do you really think Mahomes would have been Mahomes here? Under Todd Bowles as opposed to Andy Reid? Starting as a rookie coming out of an air raid system as opposed to sitting an entire year? Throwing to Jermaine Kearse and ASJ as opposed to Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce? Come on. It took a very perfect scenario to see what we’re seeing from Mahomes right now. He’s obviously fantastic but I’m not sure he’d be as good if you put him on another team right now in a different offense with different pieces. He definitely wouldn’t be what he is if he wasn’t dragged into that perfect scenario. Watson I was actually pretty down on, admittedly wrong about it too. In hindsight I would have taken the chance but we ended up with a first team all pro player with that pick so it’s hard to be THAT upset. But again, that’s hindsight.
This is the tired rationale used to soothe everyone's feelings about not getting Mahomes. No, of course he wouldn't have been as good here as in KC with a good HC and surrounding talent. Do you think any great QB would've been as great in circumstances like the NY Jets? But he damn sure would've been better than anyone else, and that includes Darnold (and I like Darnold). But even if he was only as good as Darnold, passing over him cost the Jets 3 prime picks that could've been used to improve the team. Personally I would've loved to see Mahomes (or Watson) doing their thing here.
Sorry, but I've seen this tired response too many times, and imo it's ridiculous. Mahomes wouldn't have to be as good as he is now, he would still be plenty good enough even if he started day one, but the Jets had Josh McCown, so Mahomes could have sat for a year and learned from McCown, and then McCown been the backup. One of Mahomes key traits is his poise and cool under pressure. His arm strength, accuracy and ability to scramble, create, and throw on the run would have still been there. He would have been more than good enough, and who knows could have done a lot better than Sam. The Jets also had Robby Anderson, and I'll bet that Mahomes and Anderson would have connected on a lot of long TDs. I think that even if Mahomes started day one, he'd still have been better than Sam has been even with Bowles and the clowns the Jets have had on their CS.
I wasn't too worried about the fumbles actually, I knew he would have the diligence to clean that up. Glad to see he proved us right. Interceptions always worry me though, as they can be symptoms of a multitude of serious underlying flaws that are less correctable. -Inability to read defenses -Inability to handle protections for pressure -Arm strength issues for needling throws -Accuracy issues I think Sam has shown he has adequate zip and can be accurate. The jury is still out either way if Sam can be an effective passer under duress and read complex defenses. This is where we all have to hope that giving him protection and issues will help him in those areas. I am optimistic.
I don’t know what criteria or metrics they’re using, but that’s not what most reputable statisticians and analysts say. Here’s some: His short and intermediate routes were excellent. His deep throws sucked and that’s no secret. He is elite in short and intermediate routes, which is where the nfl is mostly played. I expect he’ll be better on deep throws this year. There’s also the fact that he’s a complete gamer, and rises to the occasion: He made a big leap from year one to year two, and I expect he’ll make another this year. The completion percentage went up but also doesn’t concern me. He had the highest rated dropped pass rate last year (I think also in 2018?). Diggs will help with that. He also takes more chances than most qbs, he lead the year in air yards his rookie year and was up there again this year. Other qbs use a ton of screens and short throws. Buffalo doesn’t. Lamar obviously has had the most success, but Josh has been #2 and that isn’t debatable. Don’t forget Josh was supposed to take the longest to develop of the qbs coming out that year bc of the low level he played on. While Sam and Baker grew up at QB camps learning and honing their skills, Allen was out in a farm bailing hay. He didn’t have nearly the experience as others, yet has been right up there and better than baker and Sam so far. And that’s without having OBJ, Landry, Hunt and Chubb to work with. Allen isn’t a finished product and he needs to improve in all areas like the other qbs from the class, but to pretend he’s garbage is not reality. Hell, there’s a reason Vegas has him ranked #3 most likely to be MVP this year. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
You’re quoting a Bills-related twitter account while trying to preach about reputable sources? Ah yes the ole AYTS metric. How could I have ignored that?
All I can take from the time Sam has been with the Jets is that he's running for his life on just about every snap. No QB can be judged or analyzed under those conditions. 2019 he was sacked 55 times (that stat is misleading)- how many times he was chased around and managed to elude many more? - if Kenny O'Brien was taking the snaps the number would clearly be much higher.
Thats your best response? That I’m supposed to collect the stats myself from random places rather than skip right to the place that already does that? Lol.
I had to unblock to see who you were conversing with, hmm. His response to them not being fair at analyzing and then his first stats page says about Allen being 9th best at intermediate passes, which is exactly what the other one said. Knocked him back off again now, I wish they would just fuck off back to their own site and all sing Josh Allen songs to each other or something.
Do you think there’s a reason that the easiest place to find a bunch of horseshit stats about how good Josh Allen actually is when all of the film and hard numbers show otherwise, is a Bills twitter account? That’s probably not a coincidence.
I am looking for consistency... IF - a big if - the OL is better and he has time and IF - another big if - we draft some play makers. He has the tools, the smarts but needs to improve his footwork and I do have a concern about reading D. However, he can get better the same way Brady did,,,use the resources around you, Brady use to sped a lot of time with BB going over Def. Sam should use Williams in a similar manner going over D.
Bills fans right now remind me of Jets fans in 2009 and 2010, only there were a good portion of Jet fans that thought Sanchez stunk right from the get go. The Bills have a fantastic defense that carried a below average offense headed up by a below average quarterback. I remember what it’s like to be in their shoes... they are excited because they’ve been a train wreck for so long and they finally have a glimmer of hope so now everything is looked at with rose-colored glasses.
I wonder why so many threads particularly discussing Sam, get railroaded with comparisons about The Bills, as if we should start paying more attention to their fans inputs. Really now. It’s painfully enough to read some of our own Jet fan concerns about Sam, a guy thrown to the wolfs with a turn style OL, totally ineffective against the run and suicidal against the pass. I have to believe Sam has made a few mistakes, but he has shown plenty of savvy and talent under the God awful circumstances he was subjected to. We are lucky he was not injured or killed last year. I hope JD gives this 22 year old the tools he needs to show what he can do for us, conversely, quite frankly, the last thing we need is to read some back of the envelop selective set of stats about Josh Allen, that no one give a rat ass about.
No, Michael Jordan would not have sucked on the Knicks. That's ridiculous. He may not have won any championships, but he still would have been a great, clutch player, one of the best to ever play the game.
I think that Darnold hasn't been given much help. Lousy O-line and average receivers at best. He's shown flashes of elite talent though and that's very encouraging. I didn't hear about the Kap "signing" until it was revealed as a hoax, but I never would have believed it b/c he's done and he's trouble. On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if the Jets signed a veteran backup QB. We'll see how Darnold does with better talent around him. If he doesn't work out, the Jets will just have to go back to the drawing board and look for another FQB. There's a reason the NFL is often known as "Not For Long".
