Nobody but the Colts has done this with a #1 pick QB since the merger. They weren't a natural 2-14 team. They tanked heavily playing terrible QB's to get there. They had made the playoffs 9 years in a row before the tank season. The Jets win expectations for next season are in the range of 2-7 wins. That's what everybody else except for the Dallas Cowboys did after drafting a #1 naturally. The Cowboys with Jimmy Johnson at the helm went 1-15 the year after they went 3-13 to lock up Aikman. The odds on the Jets winning 8 games next year are probably 100-1. The odds on the playoffs more like 1000-1. That just what the 50 years since the merger tells us is likely to happen. I make the Jets out as a probable 5-11 team, maybe 6-10 with a bit of luck. This assuming the owners just can't hack the natural build and force Douglas to sign a few free agents he'd rather not have in the course of a normal build.
At this point Lawrence or bust. Not only because he’s one of the best prospects I’ve ever seen but he will also boost the confidence of his teammates after a embarrassing season. Also the most overlooked bonus is that he will attract a big name elite coach. We will hold all the cards. No amount of draft picks will give this franchise that kind of breath of fresh air.
True, but I’d argue this is an abnormal season as well, in that we have a team whose two best defensive players sat out and were traded, and management did nothing to replace them; a terrible coach that will be gone; and cap space that wasn’t used to even attempt to improve the team. This was a season almost identically abandoned like the Colts. Jets went from 1-15 to 9-7 with a new HC, new QB, and a few FA signings, everything we are looking at now.
We did it WITHOUT the #1 pick in 1997 !! Went from 1-15 to 9-7 and probably should have been 10-6 if not for Leon's Pass. True, but we got bad coaching, some bad early-season losses, and didn't have our #1 linebacker or #1 secondary guy.
One survey of 9 potentialy/likely HC changes had the Jets job ranked 3rd-most attractive IF we get Lawrence....but only 9th if we do NOT.
That's not the point. The point is that when you are playing a #1 pick QB he is a rookie and he drags the rest of the team down as he gets his feet on the ground. A team with a veteran QB (Neil O'Donnell in this case) is much more able to rebound if the talent around them goes up after the terrible season. Rookie QB's take time to adjust to the NFL. Peyton Manning went 3-13 and set a new record for Int's his rookie year. Troy Aikman went 0-11 in his starts throwing 18 Int's in 293 attempts. It was not too long ago that the rule of thumb in the NFL was to let most rookie QB's sit a year with only the 'can't miss' guys getting to play much their rookie year. The reason the #1 picks got to play a lot without the experience they needed was that their teams expected to lose the following year and so they were thrown out onto the field to get needed snaps, secure in the fact that nothing they did would lower their stock with their team.
Identically abandoned. The Colts who made the playoffs for 9 seasons in a row vs the Jets who missed the playoffs for 9 season in a row... Really? Think about how bad this roster is right now. You really believe that adding a few good players to it will turn it from a bad roster into a good roster? Because it takes a good roster to make the playoffs unless you are playing in the NFC Least.
Absolutely the Jets abandoned this season the same as the Colts. Neither showed any interest in investing into success, and it isn’t as if the Colts simply jettisoned away the rest of their players simply because Manning was out. Please explain what deliberate actions the Colts took to be terrible that differentiates their season from the Jets? The Jets traded away their best player. yes, the Jets have a worse roster but we aren’t talking about that. We are talking about the actions, or lack thereof, by the FO that lead to the failure.
we would have lamaar jackson instead of looking for a new QB. you can't be that ignorant. nor to think every pick would have been a whiff. lets not forget mac won executive of the year as well with the jets.
yes they were. many said leaf was better then peyton manning (who was also a generational talent) sam had the highest prospect rating for a QB since luck. suck for sam started long before we thought we would have a chance for him. tua was until the hip injury then it died down. you must have some memory loss issues.
except they were. well tua was until the hip injury. sam was the highest graded QB prospect since luck. ahead of guys like mahomes and watson the year before.
But none of those guys were GENERATIONAL !!! If it were allowed and he wanted, Lawrence could have come out after his FRESHMAN year and been the #1 overall pick. Nobody knew of Sam or Tua or those other guys as freshman.
Tua generational talent - https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...-football-loses-generational-talent-too-soon/ people are even calling fields a generational talent now saying this draft has 2 of them. it's just a buzzword at this point
I keep seeing this point about Darnold being the highest rated prospect since Luck, where are you getting that from? I googled and couldn't find anything. I don't recall that being the case with Darnold at all. The advanced metrics mostly pointed to Baker being a better prospect. Maybe one analyst had Darnold as the best guy since Luck but at the very least it was nowhere near a consensus opinion. How can you make the argument that Darnold was the highest rated prospect since Luck when he wasn't even the first QB taken in his draft? It doesn't make any sense. Generational guys are always the consensus #1 guy in their draft classes. There were some people who liked RG3 better than Luck but the vast majority of analysts had Luck as the clear #1 guy in that draft. Same with Manning/Leaf.
LOL Whatever. Just because suck for Sam existed doesn't mean that he was considered a "generational" QB. Those guys were only "generational" QBs in your delusional mind.
Once again you demonstrate your total lack of reading comprehension and delusional mind. Lamar Jackson would have been killed here in NY with no OL and no weapons around him. He would have either suffered a career-ending injury or so banged up physically, and maybe psychologically, that if he was still playing, he'd be a shell of what he was in Baltimore.
They were all SOLID potential prospects.....possibly/probably franchise QB's....and worthy of being taken Top 5 and evern #1 overall. Luck, Peyton, and Elway were transcendent talents. That's why Ernie Accorsi was so upset when Irsay traded Elway and then he quit.
just because you get the highest grade doesn't mean a GM agrees with it. https://www.nfl.com/draft/tracker/p...llege=allColleges&page=1&status=ALL&year=2020 that's the best I could find for tracking prospect grades. You can only go back to 2014 as the oldest but sam is the highest rated QB from 2014 through 2020. the 2021 class won't be graded until after the combine. here is a list of the QBs from there with high grades. (anything over 7 is probowler, there is a big difference between a 6.8 and a 7. the next jump is 7.3 with is an all pro) Sam 7.1 Burrow 7.07 trubisky 7 winston 7 goff 7 mariota 6.8 bridgewater 6.8 bortles 6.8 lynch 6.8 watson 6.8 tua 6.77 wentz 6.7 baker 6.7 rosen 6.7 haskins 6.7 herbert 6.45 lamaar jackson 6.4 josh allen 6.4 mahomes 6.3 daniel jones 6.3 that's the top 20 QBs to come out in the past 7 drafts. Sam was the highest graded. burrow was 2nd (and looks good so far) but sam is likely done with the jets as is trubisky with the bears. winston is already a back-up. goff is iffy. mariota is a backup bridgewater is good but got derailed by an injury. bortles is done, lynch is done. watson is a probowler, tua is too new, wentz is done, baker is iffy, rosen is done, haskins is done. meanwhile at the bottom of the list herbert is the beats mode rookie over tua and burrow, jackson is an MVP, allen is going to the playoffs and an MVP candidate, mahomes is the GOAT right now. only DJ is being pretty true to his grade. the bottom of the list is much better then the top of the list.
