The cap hits are rarely straight through AAV. If you look at similar contracts that guys like Robinson, Thuney, and Maye signed, their first years are lower and go up until year 3 at which point their is an out to get out from under their deal.
Today I learned that if you have a great offensive line then any QB in the league can be Mahomes. I surprised I didn't remember that from when we had Sanchez behind that great line and he was lighting up the league. Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk
You missed 100% the point. Nobody said that Darnold or any random QB can become elite. It means that a QB as great or elite as he is cannot do shit without a good oline. As for Sanchez as bad he was it was still the most dominant Jets team of the past 20+ years. So yes, great offensive line can make mediocre QB look good and make the team win.
Can you stop ignoring the fact that Sam was the worst QB in the NFL by far from a clean pocket this year? Please? I think we're all going to go blue in the face repeating these same points to you 1000x as you continue to ignore all of them.
Sort of hard to make these definitive statements , when Mahomes has played less than 5% (really 0%) of his career with the same level of talent that Darnold has played 100% of his with. Mahomes was down by 3 scores, the bucs started playing prevent and gave up yards for time in the 4th. 9 points... enough said. This is not a Mahomes vs Darnold thing so much as it is a reality check. Teams win in the NFL not Qb’s. People have been repeating the mantra Mahomes on the current Jets team is instant playoffs... I’m not against the Jets moving on from Darnold, I’m against people making claims that somehow a Qb alone can win a SB. If the Jets drafted Mahomes and surrounded him with this crap roster - bad coach, bad oline, bad TE, Frank Gore at RB, below avg WRs... Would we really be saying we got our franchise qb?
What's the common denominator of successful teams? They almost all have very good QB's. Some have good OL's, some have decent OL's. Some have good weapons on offense, some have decent weapons on offense. Some have good defenses, some don't. They almost all have very good QB's though. It's by far the most important ingredient.
Brady won the SB and got the MVP playing as essentially a game manager. He threw lots of dump-offs and not much down field.
What did Sam have all year? Like 3 clean pockets? I guess that's better than last year when he had zero clean pockets.
No. Our OL this year was roughly average. Certainly not bad enough to excuse by far the worst QB play in the league.
This new regime has the Jets on a path I’m excited about. I just hope JD sticks to his plan. Let’s face it, the past Jets organization broke Darnold. Maybe he turns it around... however, it’s unlikely. But his impending cap hit is much too great to take a chance. If some unsuspecting team is truly interested in Sam for a late 1, bye bye Sam. Trade down from 2, bank another 1 next year. The Jets are on the verge of 2 consecutive years on 3 first round picks. BUILD THE TEAM. Hell, I’ll play QB with JD making those premium picks. 2 years $5 million per and im yours. I just can’t throw the ball more than 20 yards... like Phillip Rivers.
Sanchez never really looked good sans a couple playoff games in his second year. And Mahomes still didn't play that poorly. He had two incredible throws dropped that would've resulted in touchdowns and a huge drop by Kelce early in the game that would've extended a key drive. That's at least a net of +11 points that makes the game much closer than it was. He's about the only player for the Chiefs that showed up yesterday.
Well it came in at least twice then, his magic can't make people catch in the EZ, his scrambling throw to Hill was right on the money but he let it hit his facemask and Kelce twice dropped catches you wouldn't expect, still, the throws were magic were they not?
The only common denominator of recent successful SB teams is Tom Brady. He’s the only guy to have appeared in more than 1 SB in the last 12 years and he’s always had a great offensive line, this year was no exception.
Gotta love the comparisons between the left tail of Mahomes's distribution and the right tail of Sam's distribution.
I'll reiterate that drawing a conclusion from one game is pretty dumb, especially when you're talking about a game that featured the two last teams standing in the league. However, it stands to prove that it took what is being heralded as an all time great defensive performance to stop and elite quarterback which is the primary reason the Buccaneers won the game. And all time great quarterbacks generally force defenses to play and win only one way - rush four and pray they can get there so the back seven can cover everything for long enough to let the front four get there. It was the same formula when Brady lost twice to the Giants in the SB. It was the same formula that the Broncos used to stop Brady in that AFC Championship game on Peyton's last leg (still the most dominant front four performance I've ever seen by Ware and Miller). Even though it looked different, it was the same formula that Rex used to beat Peyton in 2010. We rushed four all game, we just kept disguising the blitz so we'll and sending a defensive back as the fourth man. Great quarterbacks eat the blitz alive because they can generally identify it. Mahomes is no different, he just got zero help from the other ten, not just the offensive line. And as @zace has outlined he ran around like a maniac all season long as his offensive line shuffled all season long. Not only was he down both starting tackles yesterday, he was down his starting guard in Osemele from opening day, and the guy he replaced in Duvernay-Tardif from the previous SB winning team.
Look at all of the teams that won Super Bowls recently that didn't have Tom Brady. Notice anything? Their QB's were: Patrick Mahomes Foles (who played at an elite level those playoffs) Peyton Manning Russell Wilson Flacco Eli Manning Aaron Rodgers Drew Brees Big Ben Notice how the vast majority of those guys are hall of famers? At the very least they all played extremely well during the year they won. You have no leg to stand on here. Give it up.
