If JD is so great, why doesn't the record reflect that? The Jets are 10-28 on his watch and it doesn't look promising. JD is what his record says he is.. A GM who so far is 18 games under mediocre. Wishful thinking that JD suddenly will turn into Ozzie Newsome can be a fool's errand. JD knows how to save money and stockpile draft picks, but so far his win/loss results speak for themselves.
That they'd be a schizophrenic mess, and would be even worse than they are now. A select group of knowledgeable fans could be better, but not a situation like the Packers. We can hardly get consensus on anything here. The fanbase would be fighting/arguing amongst itself and never get anything done.
The ONE TIME this franchise had any real hope for a sustained turnaround was when Hess decided he had had enough and hired Parcells. Woody needs such a epiphany as the closest he's come was hiring Rex. The Jets have not been around the NFL as long as the Packers or the Steelers. The Giants have been around 4ever and they still suck. The Jets need to do whatever it takes to become relevant again and if that means going after the best experienced HC candidate available at whatever the cost so be it. They're better off making the investment in the leadership positions. That would be GM and HC. The Jets are not a small market team. They need to stop being run like a small market team. They still manage to be a punchline decade after decade and they're doing it again right now. What they excel at, is selling the "future".
The problem is there is no Parcells out there to come and turn the team around. For awhile now I’d hoped a Payton or Tomlin or John Harbaugh would break free but they keep signing contracts and now it’s so bad why would anyone of that stature want to come to Jets if they were available anyway? Jets were lucky that Parcells enjoyed turning around sadsack franchises, most HCs nowadays avoid those franchises at all cost. If the Jets are ever going to turn it around now, they’re gonna have to get lucky with a Saleh like coach.
I can't imagine that very many of us will be around by the time the Jets get their act together. It's become such a dysfunctional organization that I don't think it's possible for it to fix itself. Getting back to respectability is something that will only happen if they accidentally stumble upon it, but I don't see it coming about because of any plan that's actually conceived and then executed from within.
Johnson & Johnson No More Tears Baby Shampoo is what this franchise is feeding its fans. Problem is their fans are not babies and there has been nothing but tears.
I just don't see this at all. I see the Johnsons as virtually totally detached from anything the team does or the fanbase response. Only rarely do we see a response from Woody or Chris to reporters' questions and I cannot remember either ever taking the initiative to take a proactive public stand on any controversial topic faced by the team. None of that says "extremely PR sensitive " to me; comatose is more like it.
Please make a case for the bolded, I just don't see it. It is too early to judge anyone but to declare excellence overall is preposterous. A QB with 2TDs and 9 INTs at 57%? A running back at 33 yards a game? I've never seen that called excellent anywhere. AVT is doing a good job, but he's got a way to go to excellent. On the other hand, seven of the ten guys have played in five or six games, so at least they are good enough to get on the field but the bar here is set way too low to call that excellent - would they see the field elsewhere in the NHL?. You constantly call for patience in judging these guys; I think you need to exercise some yourself before passing out the gold stars. I really don't care at all how well the GM handles the media; I want to see him handle the player supply. The jury is still out on that and today it doesn't look good for the accused.
It's funny though. Over the years when fans post that they want guys like Payton, Tomlin, Harbaugh, etc. most Jets fans all over will tell you they don't want those guys for X, Y, or Z reason.
You're looking at the '21 Johnsons. They're trying a different tact from yesteryear. They used to be more hands on. Tebow ring a bell? Now instead of the "everybody reports to me org chart" you have a more traditional one. Although the results are the same (losing), at least they now have the faintest clue as to how to run a NFL organization. It may take several decades for this new experience to translate into wins though as the organization continues to flounder. Maybe one day the light comes on and maybe it never does. Woody has learned very little during his 20 year ownership so don't expect any quantum leaps cause they ain't happenin.. Do yourself a favor and start taking a more detached view. You'll feel better on Mondays..
Sorry, one of my many bad habits is never proofing my ramblings...usually it doesn't matter much but in this case "it's he's" in the bolded was supposed to be "if he's"...so not saying he's not good at the rest of his job but if the season ends in disaster, as it's heading right now, a case could be made that he's not doing a great job...and the rest of the dominoes I mentioned could fall...All just my opinions man, don't take any of it to heart, it's an opinion board and there's really no right or wrong here as none of us really know anything and certainly don't know the inner workings of the Jets other than connecting dots in our own way. Is JD worried about his job, I have no idea, but I could certainly see why he would be as his product is not a good one. CEO's take the fall sometimes when their product fails and the stock takes a dive even though they didn't build the widget because they're in charge of the enterprise-wide widget making process and key staff hires. Again, I compare it to the Darnold situation, I so badly wanted him to work out that I looked past some of the tangible results (or lack there of...)...then when it came time, I really wanted the Jets to keep him until I forced myself to look at some of those tangible things and the op the Jets had w/ the #2 pick, salary ramifications etc....Coming to grips w/ the reality told me it was about risk mitigation and the least risky option was to trade Darnold...and that hurt! Same here w/ JD, I so badly want it to work out but if at the end of year 3 of his tenure, if they're a disaster (whether it's Saleh/CS fault or not, as JD owns that hiring decision) do you let a regime possibly in it's last year (year 4) use those precious draft assets or do you take that time to bring in a new regime to give them the op to make the most of those. Too early to tell yet, but think it's a valid question to ask in planning to mitigate risk.
To be honest, I was very surprised that you had written the previous post, because you have been a fan of JD in the past. There are a number of other posters here I would have thought would have written it. I didn't take it to heart or personally, nor was my response meant personally or to be disrespectful, I just totally disagree with the sentiment it expressed. I still respect you and your opinions, just vociferously disagree with this one. Yes, sometimes CEOs take the fall, but as far as we know, in this case it's the fanbase who is blaming JD, and thankfully, not the Johnsons. Every poster here better hope that your opinion is wrong in this instance and that the Johnsons aren't even remotely thinking that way, because if they are, the fanbase can kiss the Jets being good at any point in our lifetimes good bye. If they scape goat JD and fire him, no decent GM candidate will ever take the Jets' job again, nor should they, because the Johnsons would have proven themselves yet again to be totally clueless. They'll make another bad GM hire and a bad HC hire, and we'll be back to a Mac or Idzik level GM and a Bowles or late Rex level HC. One can do all the right things, do one's job correctly, and yet the end product still not be good. IMO there are a number of factors that are causing this situation, and if there winds up being no improvement, will cause the poor result of this season, and JD won't be one of them. It will be the death of Greg Knapp, the cluelessness/incompetence and stubbornness of Mike LaFleur, the inexperience or incompetence of Robert Saleh, and all the njuries. The players will share in the blame, but even they will share the blame in only a lesser way. I'm sure they're trying their best, but it's not their fault that Saleh hired a rookie OC, and that OC is incompetent, chose an offensive scheme that is ridiculously complex and hard to teach and learn, and caused the players to struggle mentally, which affected their play on Sundays. Yes, JD hired Saleh, but GMs allow HC to hire their staff and pick their schemes, and Saleh may have been the best choice out of the candidates who were availble this year. Again, imo there's no question that you allow JD to use the picks that HE acquired. The Jets wouldn't have those picks if it weren't for the great job that JD has done. JD accepted the job even though he was handicapped for the first two years with that idiot Gase and little or no talent on the roster.
The really said part in all of this, and it seems to be a yearly occurrence, is that once the calendar turns to October we fans are usually left with only one meaningful discussion topic, who’s to blame for the mess we’re watching…not “the upcoming big game”, not a possible playoff spot, not a key trade piece to acquire to make a run…it sucks the life out of you… I take that back, there’s a second topic, will we get the number 1 pick in the draft…so there’s that…ugh
