Yes, but only for an absolute beast. A real star, we haven't had that on our team since keyshawn johnson.
The idea of trading one of our 2nds for a proven WR (or other position of need) is a possibility, but is Jeudy really proven? I honestly don't know. If he is, then fine, but if there's any question that he isn't, I'd pass and look for another option.
And that really is the crux of it this off season. The Jets need 4/5 good players and they need depth. They need to address most of the big holes on the roster, put sticking plasters on any they can't address and just add better depth. It doesn't really matter how they do it: draft, trades, FA are all in play. Jeudy seems a reasonable trade option. He's young and has potential to develop still. Injuries worry me and JD would have to do due diligence on why he has been underwhelming to date.
Don't like this one. Jeudy production is not elite and there are probably better receivers in this draft. Houston makes out big time in this. They unload a rapist and get a bunch of draft picks.
Jeudy is going to be due for a new deal and is coming off a major injury. Not sure I want to spend a 2nd to either have him flame out or have to pay him based off one good year. Of the names mentioned in rumors, I’d trade at least a second for Cooper, Metcalf (I’d trade 10 overall) and Ridley.
Thought about this for a while yesterday, but I think I would do Jeudy for the later of the 2 picks in the 2nd, but this isn't enough to do on the offensive side of the ball. Go get McBride + 1 more vet WR + a vet TE (Njoku?) and I'm good with the offensive weapons going into the 2022/23 season. I would still prefer to draft Burks / Wilson / London at 10, but would be open to trading for a WR as well. Davis Jeudy Moore 1 veteran TE - Njoku + McBride
Trader Joe made one of the best, if not the best trades in NFL history when he traded Jamal Adams to Seattle. Also, the Herndon and Darnold trades were pretty impressive. I fully trust his trading ability.
Problem with trading for a proven talent is that proven talent comes at a steep cost cap wise. That's why building thru the draft is so appetizing. You can actually afford 5 times as many 'stars' if they're on rookie deals. Say we trade a #2 for Juedy. He comes in and (soon) want's and deserves $20m per. Or....JD could use that same #2 draft pick on the best 'juedy like' WR and spend $3m per. I get the real juedy may be better, but $17m better? That's the tradeoffs a GM spends a lifetime considering. Me? I use lower draft picks like 5th and 6th to trade for a young 'maybe' who hasn't hit his stride yet, or a known vet who could back up either guard positions. Boring stuff like that. Leave the super stars for the draft! Nothing sweeter than having a FQB or Chase Young or an Arron Donald playing for pennies on the dollar for 4 years.
NC. As a clarification, the 2023 1st comes from Denver not the Jets. The Jets would only trade the second for JJ. IMO you pose a very interesting question, "Should we trade a draft pick for some valuable vet support? I think this has lots of merit. Last year we fielded ten rookies, of which probably 5 or six had a starting positions with 4 or so on special teams and back up positions at LB, Safety and the like. For a very young and inexperienced team with a rookie CS to boot that was a daunting task....so yeh, having a little more vet presence could help greatly to supplement the core plus the rookie 2022 draft. Having said that, and admitting that I did not watch much of Denver so I could be dead wrong, I did not see JJ as a rising start like most here though he would be, say like Chase or even CC Lamb. Again I might be dead wrong, so I defer to the experts about JJ, but the notion of trading the second for a proven starter appeals to me greatly to help balance the vast group of rookies or second year players.
The production is much less risky with proven players. Only a handful of second round or later picks each year turn into pro bowlers. If you have a chance to trade for someone at good value, it's worth
All true but here's the thing: GMs who trade draft picks for a proven player (or cap space for a proven FA) are forced to pay HUGE for the 'proven' part. It costs much much less to pay for 'maybe'. Plus a GM who buys 'proven' players is doing nothing more than what you or me could do. I want a GM with a good sense of what makes a good player, then go get that player cheap. That, to me, is what separates a good GM from a great GM. I want Joe Douglas to be a great GM!
and Good posts and points. I especially agree with the bold. I am somewhat torn, because I can understand (and agree with to some extent) the rationale of trading for a proven WR and/or TE to help Zach develop. I don't think a rebuild should be rushed (sabotaged actually) as it can be at times due to circumstances. This is one of those situations. I think the situation the Jets are in is somewhat contradictory. We need to do everything to ensure that Zach develops and succeeds, because if he doesn't, we'll wind up having to trade the house for another shot at a potential FQB IF we can find a team willing to trade with us. Thus it would make sense to trade for a proven WR and/or TE to give him more reliable receivers. OTOH, while it could help Zach develop, could stabilize our lineups ,and help all the other young players develop and learn how to win, it can also ratchet up pressure on the team to win immediately as we are seeing with posters on this site expecting the Jets to make the playoffs this season. That pressure can cause players and coaches to fail, who might have otherwise developed and helped bring stability to the team as well as success, and if the team doesn't win (or in our case make the playoffs), could result in fans and the media putting pressure on the owners, who then in turn put pressure on the GM and CS, and can cause them to make decisions/do things that aren't in the best interests of the team and the plan that they were in the midst of following. JD did sign Davis last season to be a reliable target for Zach and help him develop. Unfortunately, Davis didn't do a very good job of that last season. Hopefully, he will be much better this season, not drop all the passes, know the offense, and truly help Zach. I trust JD, but I would rather he sign a FA WR like Chark and a TE like Schultz or Njoku because then, he is only trading cap space, and not both cap space and draft capital which represents cheaper players who help the team stay under the cap and achieve their goal of becoming a sustainable winner. It also puts more pressure on the GM and team, and that's when mistakes can happen.
This is a very good point. I sure hope we have a great GM, and while I'm a strong Douglas supporter, the jury's out on that so far (though trending towards great IMO).
Good points, about how bringing in top talent can become counterproductive. If high expectations are placed on a young team too soon, coaches tend to panic and play their vets for every win they can get at the expense of the young players who need time to develop and make their own mistakes. How many times have we heard Gase and others say he played such and such a vet because that gave him the best chance to win that game, while the rookies sat on the pine the whole season.....
The bold is part of why the jury's still out on JD's ability to know talent. I still have faith, but it's not blind (not implying you have blind faith). The 2020 draft and FA class hasn't produced enough talent for whatever reason, and that falls on Douglas. This is why it's critical that he not only nail this draft like he did last year's, but do better than he has in FA.
If I were the jets I wouldn’t be trading any of the first or seconds imo. The jets lack talent everywhere, and aren’t close to competing imo. Theoretically, if there was a very young star type player at WR, Edge, CB I might think about trading one of the 2nds, I just don’t think that player is out there. Jeudy ain’t it. Unless you can trade for Kyler Murray or Deshaun Watson, I wouldn’t move any of those first 4 picks. Make the picks and get better for the long haul.
Bills over Jets can be Obnoxious..but here he is right here There just too many holes all over the place ... So keep those 1st and 2nds later on in the Rebuild . Maybe next year we can fool around taking chances on the Jerry Jeudys out there
Why do people think Jeudy is due a new deal soon? Next year is year 3, then we have his year 4 and then able to pick up the fifth year option. We would still have 3 years of rookie deal contractual control. For what it's worth (which is nothing) I'd trade our later 2nd rounder for him and think he'd fit well with us. Sent from my M2007J20CG using Tapatalk
