Jets sign Garrett Wilson to 4 year/$130 mil extension ($90 mil gtd)

This is effectively a guaranteed 3 year 90 mil extension, 30 mil per year. Then we have an option for the 4th year at 40, but not guaranteed. A fair deal for GW and great move for the Jets. So far I am pleased with some of the key decisions Mooge and Glenn have made. I recall people were panicking when we didn't resign him right away, but Mooge delivered the goods at the right time. Hopefully Sauce is next.

 

I'm in the wrong business.

 

How right you were….Sauce deal is done now

 

For starters my mentality here didn't make a broad generalization statement on whether we should or shouldn't resign "every good player". It was specifically referring to the roster building approach and commitment money being paid out in the here and now to WR Garrett Wilson.

I've stated various times over the last 2 years everytime a "is GW overrated?" debate has popped up that I lean a lot more heavily into the yes camp there then many here seem to. I don't believe GW currently projects as an elite and unquestionable #1 type WR talent at the NFL level. Still not sold the mental makeup and/or ability to string together dominant games without all the head scratching moments mixed in is there to ever be consistently great either. None of which is to say he's not a very good player mind you. Just that I question what GW the player and his very very volume driven production #'s look like on an actual functional football team who is winning their games. Or how hard that would actually be to replace in any said down the road picture while ultimately avoiding the big commitment pay into a non-elite WR.

Again I don't hate the deal or anything. I just currently question how this actually adds up into the total team build picture 1-2 years down the line starting from the organizational spot of having no firm answer on how to even field a functional offense, and with everything non T outside paying a very good WR a ton of money realistically being a gigantic red colored question mark atm.

I'd also of preferred to wait at least half a year and to would of wanted to see an encouraging start to the Engstrand era before pulling the trigger on this.

 

Of course he could have made demands - that doesn't mean it would amount to anything more than saber rattling. With this year remaining on his initial contract and the fifth year option coming up do you really think it would in any way be to his benefit to sit out those two years away from football and a paycheck in what should be his most productive years?

 

I hear you and understand your take, but I just disagree 100% with it. Not to be disrespectful…more in line with a good discussion, so don’t take this as an attack or anything like that.

But this logic of “he’s very good but not great” type deal I just don’t get. If you wait around to get the undisputed “great” then you’ll never pay anybody…it’s like waiting for the second coming of Jerry Rice or Randy Moss or whomever you want to hold up that way. And then I just disagree on your assessment of the player…I see in GW a guy who’s played with complete shit at QB, complete disfunction at OC, and yet he’s put up great numbers consistently. Imagine if he had someone like Mahomes throwing to him?

This kind of logic to me also sounds very much like the talk track that comes out around draft picks and value…yes I get value in drafting the right guys at the right spots, but too often you’ll hear comments like “well I like the OT we took, but I wish we would have traded down from 10 to 15 and picked up a draft pick and taken him at 15”…sure in logic anyone would, but the point is it’s a gamble and you never know, and honestly, if you take the right guy it doesn’t matter if you take him at 10 or 15…just take him! And then when he develops and delivers, for gods sake KEEP him!

So I don’t know, if you don’t like GW enough to sign him, then who DO you like? You can’t always be chasing this mythical “right way to build a roster” or “well we’re not winning the Super Bowl with or without him, so why bother?”

That makes no sense to me. From a strategic roster building view, I think signing young talented WR and CB IS a great move. Those are two premium positions. The only more premium positions are QB and maybe OT. But once you get the QB and the OL, then I think WR, CB, and pass rusher are the next tier.

So personally I LOVE these two signings…I hate how too often we’ve waited to “let’s see how he does” or “let’s have him prove himself” or whatever other excuse not to pay a guy we’ve had…I hate those excuses. If you draft a stud, at some point you have to lay out the money to keep them. Not only for roster building, but also for the intangible effect on the entire team, which you’ve also called out.

Anyway, I get that you don’t HATE the deal, so not saying otherwise…I’m just super happy about it and I have a hard time understanding a point of view that is kind of negative on it…if you’d don’t want to pay these two players, then I don’t have any clue as to who you would want to pay? Maybe wait and don’t pay anybody until you have a QB? I don’t know…

 

I dunno what all this garbly guk is. He’s one of our best players, a homegrown player who does everything right on and off the field. He desperately wants to win and clearly wants to be a Jet.

I don’t get any of these complaints regardless of how much you type.

 

hes trying too hard to take the contrarian approach. It is fine to wonder about the dollar figures, or the timing, but critiquing Wilson's game as "very very volume driven" is a head scratcher. It is a receiver's job to get open and generate voluminous opportunities in the passing game.


(yes, I had to look up the term voluminous)

 

I do, and i don't suspect he'd ever be a guy getting a 160 stat padding targets a year in a Mahomes offense and under an OC who clearly knows how to run a functional offense. Much less be the guy there getting paid a premium contract.

In a nutshell that's the thing. This doesn't doesn't feel at all like something KC would do. Locking in an non elite WR this early, with no firm idea at QB and under the concept idea that GW is going to be anchoring an offense lead by an OC we ain't even sure you won't be hearing calls for his head after game 1, feels a lot more Raider'y atm/imo. It also sounds pretty damn similar to what we've already just played out his first 3 years.

I would actually make the same argument here. You just have it backwards there. Just like the supportive logic driving the decision to bring in Aaron Rodgers did that some of the same people here wanted to ridicule me for questioning then too lol

Even money odds imo an already chirpy in the media GW doesn't make it to the extension kick in point before the surrounding talk of him not wanting to be here kicks up again btw.

 

*YOU* telling me that I'm saying something I never said doesn't make it any more true then when JV tried to do it a few posts up.

I don't have a problem with the team extending players while being bad. I specifically question whether extending Garrett Wilson this early and at premium money is currently the "well run franchise" type of move we should be making before we even get to game 1 of this supposed new era of NYJ football.

Again, for me the "I just want to resign our players for a change" logic isn't coming across any less emotionally driven and shallow then all the "I just want a good QB for a change" cries we heard 2 offseasons ago.

 

Right!

His argument makes NO sense…I get that we’ve been a BAD team that has made STUPID decisions time after time after time … and honestly I still am not sold on hiring a first time DC for HC yet again…but that’s a different story

But this thought process of “I’d rather have draft picks” when we’ve literally blown pick after pick after pick makes ZERO sense. You want draft picks to become great players. Here is one that did that. So for fucks sake, KEEP him! I just don’t get this nit picky thing…now we’re talking about “chirpy” … I don’t get it. At some point, to become a great team, you need to have great players. GW has been that. So if this is not a guy you want to resign to a big second contract to keep him here in his prime…then I don’t know what the fuck your plan to build a team is. By that logic, you’d never sign anyone until when, you have a QB? It just doesn’t work that way. At some point, on the rare occasions when you draft a stud, you have to fucking keep them.

The other argument is nit picking on the cost…as if it were our money. The point is that the cap goes up each year, and salaries go up each year. I’d much rather sign a guy a year early rather than a year late, or let him get to free agency to “test his value” or some bullshit like that. The only guys you let get to free agency are the ones you don’t care to lose. But as salaries go up, this top of the market price for GW (and same for Sauce), will be commonplace and mid pack within a couple of years most likely. Or said in other words, if you think it’s costly now, it’s only going to go up later.

I just don’t get it. We’ve all been burned by this team WAY too many times. Honestly I say it a lot but I absolutely truly feel that if our GMs had drafted according to this board’s consensus in the first round year after year, we’d have a better team than what our real GMs have done.

So I get we’ve suffered through bad decisions. But man, these two signings are NOT bad decisions…these are actually a good sign to me about Mouge…hopefully the OT we drafted balls out, and that’ll be a few good decisions to start his tenure. If his WR and CB draft picks pan out (I’m not sold yet), then that would be the proverbial home run for a first season on the job.

But nit picking this signing seems like such a bad take to me…

 

Why does "always" have to specifically Include GW here?

Every player and resign situation is different. Questioning the base team building logic behind this one doesn't automatically make me some hater of every other resign the team does. That is what doesn't make any sense here imo.

 

I would have rather waited to resign GW because that is what I believe was the "well run" play here was. As Ralebird graciously pointed out multiple times earlier here this could have rationally waited until next year. The option to resign GW wasn't realistically going anywhere.

Maybe he gets hurt this year. Maybe he doesn't ultimately end up being a great #1 option money guy fit for what we end up wanting to do on offense. Maybe we don't end up happy with what the production looks/feels like in the event the team does manage to immediately turn thing around. Maybe, and with bag now in hand, he doesn't end up happy here in a reality scenario where he's not getting force fed a league leading level amount of bad team stat padding opportunities he's grown accustomed to being there these past 3 seasons.

As a franchise we could of better acknowledged the massive question mark still surrounding our ability to ever field a non-cringe inducing offense, took a deep rebuilding from scratch breath, and simply let the situation play itself out longer while gathering more decision making data. Instead we are essentially jumping the gun there imo in what feels like an ever constant bad franchise need to prioritize the "feel good" headline spin involved. Which like pretty much everything else in our "it'll be different this time" offseason approach just doesn't actually feel any less same ol same ol Jets to me personally.

 

I read through the entire thread so let me see if I can sum things up.

At the very base of this debate is, @Kronoking correct me if I'm wrong, you don't think he IS a great WR thus not worth the money. At the very least, you want to see him play one more year for more on "tape." Is that a fair assessment?

Everyone else thinks G.W. is a STUD and would be mentioned in the same sentence as J'marr Chase et.al. if he had a COMPETENT O.C. etc. Yes? I really think that is where the disconnect seems to sit.

First, let me say I think G.W. IS a stud and I think his best football is ahead of him. If anything by sheer virtue of "hopefully" having competent coaching and leadership. It's HIGHLY likely that he will be very productive having his college QB throwing to him. Now, will that translate to wins? Time will tell. However, you simply can't operate like one of the worst franchises in all of professional sports if you are ever going to claw your way out of the pit o' despair. You simply can't sit on your hands and wait until the last minute to sign, at the very least, GOOD players every single time because someone wants that last tidbit of film so that the back and forth of should we/shouldn't we sign him can go on endlessly. Worse, in true past Jets fashion, let your good players walk/get traded because leadershit(p) thinks there's something better in next year's draft. Somewhere along the way the "shark must be jumped" if this team is ever to be consistently competitive.

G.W. put up numbers that should have never been seen with the kind of QB play he's been subject to. That INCLUDES prima donna boy, now in Pittsburg. Rodgers was a non-factor in 2023 and the moment the team signed Adams in 2024 it was a MAJOR miracle that Wilson got the yards that he did when you consider the percentage of balls thrown his way.

Like every single fan of this team, I'm in a full holding pattern (pun intended) waiting to see if the Glenn/Mougey combination will do anything more than what has been run through this organization the last 2 decades. There's a whole season ahead of us to write that story. HOWEVER, the preface, so far, has been mostly positive. How many of us, last year, were talking about the need to lock up our good players? GW, Sauce, Hall? I was one along with a bunch of others. Now, I'm cool with sitting on Hall for one more season. RB is just that "way" right now. However, based on the news concerning Sauce, I wouldn't at all be shocked to see them lock up Hall as well. At some point you simply must ignore the history and operate the way winning franchises do.

Let me add one more nugget. The whole KC mention above... I'm not sure how it was arrived that KC wouldn't lock a guy like Wilson up as that's just bullshit. If Pat Mahomes were throwing the ball to a guy like Wilson he would be an all pro. That's just pure fact, all things considered. So, before we start comparing apples to oranges let's worry about talking Jets football vs. what's going on in KC.

 

Your "mindset" isn't conducive to fielding a winning franchise. The "wait and see" teams ALWAYS end up waiting and seeing draft after drafter after draft after draft. THREE 1,000+ yard seasons to start a career all while having utter dog shit at the QB position and LESS THAN dogshit at coach tells me that, once competent coaching is in place, G.W. will be a BARGAIN. You do realize that, by this time next year, it will be a better than average bet WR jumps by $5 - 10 million per year, right? Say they did wait until next year, after another 1,000+ season, would you be cool with paying Wilson, whom by all accounts you feel is a middling receiver, $35 mill per or more? Last ranking I saw someone had G.W. as the 8th best WR in the league. He's fine right where he's at.