Points scored by Offense 2024 19 Vs SF 24 Vs TEN 24 Vs NE 9 Vs Den 2024 TOTAL - 76 Points 2025 32 vs PIT 10 vs BUF 27 Vs TB 21 vs Mia TOTAL - 90 Points 2025 Offense +14 Points (Basically a wash when you take into consideration "Garbage Time") Points Allowed by Defense: 32 vs SFO 17 vs Ten 3 vs NE 10 vs Den 2024 Total - 62 Points 34 vs PIT 30 vs BUF 29 vs TB 27 vs MIA 2025 TOTAL - 120 Points 2025 Defense + 58 Points Allowed!!!!! Conclusion - May I suggest we table the bench Justin Fields discussions? It's clear where the problem is.
To be fair to most of us, the Justin Fields discussion is pretty cut and dry. He’s a bad quarterback that will never play a meaningful snap for this organization and so far he’s proven to be exactly what most of us thought he’d be based off of the first three years of his career. I don’t think anyone really wanted to get into a discussion about Justin Fields only looking competent when the opposition stops blitzing and drops all of their men to the line to gain. onto the defense… Terrible roster and terrible coaching got us here. I’d be interested in seeing what the defense looks like in November and December of last year compared to where it is now. Last year it was brutal. We took that roster and made it worse so it shouldn’t be shocking that this is where we are. Not to mention our all pro linebacker and his backup are on IR and we are replacing them with a fifth round rookie who shouldn’t have been drafted and some guy off the street.
Also being fair, Rodgers had the benefit of AVT for 14 games, where Fields has him for ZERO. I am sure that would help slightly with the blitz?
May I suggest you put this in a better context: Score of the last 3 games headed into the 4th Q: 6-23 10-24 3-30 In the first 3 Q’s of the last 3 games we’ve scored a grand total of 19 points. Playing catchup against defenses that are softening to kill time on the clock we’ve managed some offensive scores that have padded stats. Make no mistake, this offense is completely futile right now.
Fair enough.... The 63 points scored in the three games where Fields played ratios out to 84 points over 4 games, still a wash with last season.
PLEASE do not misinterpret the intention of this thread: Fields' performance certainly is not flawless. I just think there is a clear bigger issue with this team.
I think we can all agree that all aspects of the Jets are an issue - offense, defense, special teams and coaching - I would say that there is nothing this team does well (other than launching new uniforms).
There are two equally big issues with the team- One is a lack of quality players, including Justin Fields. Let’s face it, the lottery ticket hopes of Justin Fields is deep in the trash can outside a Brooklyn bodega. The other problem thus far looks to be coaching, because no matter how bad a player is physically, they can still be coached to understand the situation, not make stupid penalties, and protect the football. That’s discipline, and we haven’t seen anything that suggests we’ve improved on the romper room environment of Saleh/Ulbrich. “All gas no brakes” and “taking a hard look” has just turned into “playing our brand of football”. Baseless empty statements from talking heads that don’t actually do what they say. Seriously, what is our brand of football? Glenn said we were gonna come out in the 2nd half playing our brand of football and we literally fumbled the kickoff away. Seems like that’s our brand of football.
Justin Fields has never beaten a team that scored more than 20 points in his NFL career though. 0-25 in such games including monday night 21 points is not really a lot of points. Only 8 teams allowed less than 21 points per game last season. And thats including a couple "20.9" teams. .....So, the defense needs to be a top 5-6 defense, not even average, if we ever want to win
Should the Jets trade for Trevor Lawrence or Tre Lance? Surely one of these QBs from that class will work out?
It's a double whammy with Fields... he's not good enough to get you leads early and he's even worse at trying to overcome deficits. While he hasn't been THE issue here, and I'm sounding like a broken record... trying to make him anything more than he is is an absolute fool's errand. This is what he's been his whole career. What he's done in three games so far mirrors his career. Good, awful, then good but not good enough. And that's really the conundrum with this whole team, which leads to... The talent on this team is just flat out not good. Other than CB1, DT1/2, LB1 (Sherwood only since Quincy is hurt) and EDGE1 (not gonna pretend we have two edges because JJ is never healthy) we are well below average at every position on defense. Stephens was basically escorted out of the building by his old team, Adams shouldn't be in the NFL, MC2 has tanked horribly his last two seasons, Cisco would be rotational guy on most teams, Clemons shouldn't be in the NFL, Baron and Kiko were horrendous picks that should have been 7th rounders on the practice squad, then we have AZ and Moore who can't see the field. Coaching has been bad. But there are some things the best coaches in the league can't overcome and lack of talent is one of them. You can only coach players up so much and clearly that's not going to happen here with Wilks. Bad combo. And when you bring up things like turnovers and penalties and fucking fair catching at the 2 yard line... what do coaches do about that? Other than yell at the players, what are they supposed to do? Some players just aren't good, that's the bottom line. We don't have good players. I'd say over 50% of our roster would be considered below average.
I actually don't even feel like that's a necessary qualifier. The OL has been really good at pass protection despite struggling at times to pick up disguised blitzes. I'd love to see what this offense could do with an actual NFL QB because there are elements that are clicking. Tanner has been fine, not great but fine and who knows how much of that has to do with the fact that he has a QB he can't trust to drop back until the opposition is up 14 and they stop blitzing.
I like Engstrand's pacing and I like that he does not call a lot behind the line of scrimmage. Most coordinators would call several WR screens behind the line so Justin Fields can gain "confidence", as if a negative yard pass boosts a man's ego, or that it helps win anything lol. Engstrand has a downhill focus to calling a game. I do wish he used Breece Hall a lot more though
I do like his downhill approach a lot but disagree on the screens. I would love to see us use it more because we have the personnel. Both guards and tackles can get out in space and make blocks. I'll be honest, I haven't paid enough attention to Myers to know if he can but regardless we are set up well in theory to have success in the screen game. Now if you told me we aren't running them because Tanner doesn't think Fields can complete a quick pass in the flat or a dump off with finesse because he only throws missiles and has 0 touch... I'd say yes it makes sense that we aren't running screens.
