I agree about the roster and I mentioned this above. 50% of the roster is trash. They won’t be here next year. All the more reason the coaches should be using this opportunity to set the example of what won’t be tolerated, so the culture is clear next year. Braelon Allen’s fumble was backbreaking. Besides the fact he shouldn’t be returning kickoffs at all (wtf coaches!?), he should’ve been put on the bench for at least a series or two. You can give a player a message of positivity while still handing them a consequence. Clemons needs to be benched. I don’t care if he’s the best we got, the guy is a walking liability that has never had a single consequence from a coach. If the players aren’t going to be here next year, why are we so worried about their feelings?
this is a great thread and we’ve called out all of the issues…we’re a bad team. And every metric shows it. Honestly you don’t have to look past the 0-4 record to know that, but when asking the next question of WHY are we 0-4, the metrics literally show that it’s EVERYTHING. We are bad at EVERYTHING except possibly punting…that new punter has looked good. And Folk has looked good as well so far. But… Coaching has been a HUGE issue…of them all, I think the OC is the best of the bunch…he does call a nice game, doesn’t try and get too cute like Shotty used to do by calling a WR reverse when we were clicking only to lose 10 yards. I think the OC has been good. Wilks has been horrendous and just can’t wait until he’s gone…hopefully we don’t have to see him all year but I’m resigned to the fact that we will. Outside of the 2 kickers, I’d say our ST coach has been bad…the decisions on who should be returning kicks has been stupid from the jump…first Gipson, then why the fuck is Braelon out there, then the new guy who sucks just like the old guy. And I’m sorry, I am not giving the coaches a pass for a player fair catching on his 2 yard line…that is a fundamental coaching flaw…shit I STILL remember our high school ST coach telling us if we’re on the 5 and the ball goes over our head, LET IT GO. And finally AG…I’m sorry but so far this is an epic fail. Nothing worse than a coach who talks the talk but doesn’t deliver…the players will tune him out before the halfway mark. This team may not be talented as fuck, but sure as shit they shouldn’t be making all of these self inflicted errors. That’s on coaching. I hear them say they preach it all week but for fucks sake, whatever they are doing is not working. Something has to change. And then the talent on the field is not great, sure. But these coaches are not maximizing the talent we do have. We are the only team with no takeaways after 4 games. How is that possible? We fumble a lot and the only guy who had a consequence was Gipson. We continue to make stupid penalties…and none point to coaching more than pre snap penalties…line up correctly, don’t false start…etc. Forget Fields…he sucks and we all know it … its exactly as BA has been saying…he is for us what he’s been for 3 years for 2 teams who couldn’t wait to get rid of him. He has physical talent and can run like heck, but that does not make a good QB, and we can all see past the stat gobbling in garbage time. But we all knew this coming into this year, and to be honest, we have bigger problems than QB right now…no he isn’t the answer and yes we need to draft a QB next year, but the defense needs to be fixed. Just a shitshow all over the place…this is a downgrade from the Saleh teams, but fairly, this looks just like we looked after Saleh got fired…an undisciplined holy mess
To be fair, this is exactly why it's on the player not the coach. There's 0.0% chance Banjo hasn't mentioned this or maybe he hasn't because it's something players have learned since high school. Williams had no idea where he was. He turned around and his shoulders sunk after he realized what he did. That's completely on the player. Outside of that I agree with most of what you said. I can't call AG an epic fail yet because he's 4 games in and regardless of how we got there, we were one score away in three of the four losses. A little good luck and we're 2-2, extremely good luck and we're 3-1. Not that I think the team resembles and above or even at .500 team but a bounce here and a bounce there and we're not having the AG discussion at all. I do agree that there's nothing worse than a coach who delivers empty messages. But back to the Jets version of chicken or the egg... do we suck because of coaching or do we suck because the players suck?
Do you think great coaches just assume their players know the rules? You see it all the time where a player makes a mistake or decision because they were unsure of the rules or the gameplay. Everytime you look at who’s coaching and it’s some questionable dude. Fair catching the ball at the 2 is an incredibly stupid thing to do. You don’t see stuff like that happening on elite teams with quality coaching. What that tells me is the details are not being focused on. It was a problem under Saleh and it’s showing up again now.
So far I’d answer your last question by saying Yes and Yes The answer is both…we have a roster that doesn’t have much talent AND we have a new coaching staff that hasn’t figured it out yet The roster we know will change quite a bit next year…we’ll see if Mougey is up to the task…so far I’d say his first draft is like a C…I like the first two picks but so far we’ve gotten basically nothing from any of the other picks, and his free agency is perhaps worse…Stephens the big signing has so far been a very bad choice…the Myers signing was good and especially so given AVT’s injury, so maybe that’s a wash….but the free agent receivers have provided next to nothing. So far I’m not super excited by Mougey. The real question is how much time do you give AG to see if it’s just growing pains or if he just isn’t the guy? I tend to say a coach needs more than one year, so I wouldn’t advocate anything this year, but there are coaches who have been so bad that they were gone after one year…most of those were the right call (other than of course how we let Pete Carroll go…but of course, Jets)…so we can revisit the AG discussion at year end and see if the team is still looking to be the same hot mess or if the coaching actually improves this team throughout the year. I’ll defer making a call on AG until then. But I know this…give this exact group of players to a great coach and we’re not 0-4. I don’t think we’d be 0-4 with any of Reid, McVay, Harbaugh, Shanahan, O’Connell, etc. Let alone a legend like Parcells…so this is on the players, yes, but also on the coaches
But again it's not like he thought he did a good job. He looked behind him, immediately saw where he was and was pissed at himself. How does a coach make a player NOT lose where he is on the field? Is that a coaching problem or a "this guy was on a practice squad two weeks ago and probably isn't an NFL caliber player" problem?
When you let DJ Reed walk in free agency and use your first two draft picks on offense you can expect something like this.
Actually, funny thing. The Jets are THIRD in the league on Special Teams. Look it up. I almost fell out of my chair.
It's not that shocking really. We've been above average in the return game. The problem is there have been two backbreaking fumbles mixed in with all the good so the good takes a backburner. Especially when you're 0-4.
Talk about another guy that should have NEVER been drafted and that would be Lance. Is he "still" on the Cowboys? Nope, he is now on the Chargers. If Jim Harbaugh can do nothing with him then no one can.
This team has its “brand” of offense, which is what we saw in the first drive Monday night. The qb can barely complete a pass. As soon as you fumble at the goal line and create a deficit , you’re forced away from your “brand”, and have to resort to a passing game that this qb isn’t capable of. This shit defense isn’t capable of holding a lead. As a 98 yard drive for a td is very likely. Which makes this “brand” of football a bad formula
Yeah this brand/philosophy is braindead because it requires you to be elite at two things simultaneously - running the ball and defense. You need a lot of good players and a good defensive scheme to make it work. And, like you said, you are unable to come from behind when you can't pass. Basically, there's no margin for error with this brand of football. You need to nail a lot of draft picks and play mistake-free football. It's too early to say but I'm pretty concerned Glenn is another Saleh type where his core football philosophy is too off base to ever produce a consistent winner.
As I get time to calm down and reflect.................... Thinking clearly I have to ask the following: What EXACTLY does Aaron Glenn do? Wilks is on him. The scheme is on him and there's no two ways about it. However, outside of that, what EXACTLY is he supposed to do? Even in my anger hazed rant I was able to clearly express that you simply CAN'T bench EVERYBODY. If he benched everyone making bonehead plays he couldn't field two full units. You can't cut everyone either. Salary cap, salary cap, salary cap. We all knew the roster was basically garbage outside of a tiny handful of players. We all wanted Fields to "get it" but it looks like he hasn't. Or, based on the aforementioned LACK of talent, is he really getting a fair shot to put anything other than what we've seen on display? Face it, the three games he played in he was, unfortunately, one of the best players out there. Hell, the Miami game looks a LOT worse if he doesn't drop that 46 yd. TD scamper on them. CLEARLY Fields isn't the answer but he's also not the main problem. A lack of NFL talent is the problem. Unfortunately, Rome wasn't built in a day and neither will this team. Additionally, on the "unfortunate" side, is the fact that "we've" been going through THIS for 15 years, hell, FOREVER!! Glenn can't change the past and we, as fans, at some point have to get past that fact. Just because "we've" been dealing with this for almost 2 decades doesn't alter the course of what HAS to take place for this team to turn things around. It sure as hell isn't going to be in 4 games with NO talent. On the coaching front. Look, I can guran-damn-tee you they are preaching this shit in practice. What, you think they are rolling up 1 Jets Drive and saying, "aw shucks, fuck it, we don't care about those penalties." "Turnovers-shmurnovers, we don't care about them either." Bullshit. You can't strap em' up to a rack and punish them. You'll probably find no Iron Maidens in the locker room either. They can bench people or cut them. See the first paragraph. Who you going to bench them for? Cut them for? You can get 2 centimeters from a kid's face and scream to him about penalties all day long but you CAN'T go on the field and play FOR them. You can't line up, on a punt return, and look at where you are FOR them. The player HAS to execute the goddamn game plan with a modicum of awareness and intelligence. These are fucking PROFESSIONAL football players. Most of which have been playing the game for at LEAST 10 years. What, you don't think they teach the same shit in Pop Warner? High School? I can, for certain, tell you they do and anyone who has played organized football will HAVE to agree. Folks, there is no magic sauce. One thing I find thoroughly laughable, though, is when we all sit here and talk about guys like Geno or Darnold. Make no mistake about it, there's nary a fan of this team or on this board that weren't banging the drum, hard and often, to have these players damn near escorted out the building. "We" have NO PATIENCE! And, WE can't sit here and point to the history of the team to make our point either. A o-lineman in 2025 doesn't give a FUCK what happened with this organization 10...15...20...30 years ago. Hell, MOST of these kids weren't even born. So, yes, it's frustrating and it sucks. We can point to Woody but what is that going to get you? Either get over it or move on to a different team because, short of some illegal scandal, the Johnsons will probably own this team LONG after we are all taking a dirt nap. It simply is what it is. Back to this team, though. More than one football talking head, I've heard, has referenced Justin Fields as one of the BEST players on this team. Let that sink in.............................................................before we all keep posting post after post about who should get benched, cut or why isn't AG doing more. Has he made a questionable call or two? I would think so. Then again, maybe he's fucking TRYING to do "something" different to shake this bullshit roster awake! As I stated at the beginning of the year, AG has 2 years. Moog, 2 years. TWO FULL YEARS!! You simply cannot revamp a roster overnight. No matter how many people "think" it's doable. If you or I were THAT good guess where we'd be...that's right, we'd be IN the NFL and a pretty damn hot commodity too! Not everyone can be a Sean Payton or Jim Harbaugh. At this point, when I watch Jets football, all I'm doing is taking down the names of people I EXPECT will NOT be here next year. THAT is going to tell me if AG "gets it" or not. One final thing...exactly WHAT would some of you WANT Glenn to say in these press conferences? "We got to go back to work" or "fuck it, this team blows ass, it's on the previous regime so we don't give a fuck?" Rant is over....
This team could have some wins notched if they protected the ball better. They’d still have issues even if they notched those wins, but they didn’t. They’re terrible.
My take till proven otherwise: Another shitty GM collecting a check another shitty coach padding his bank account An owner who could care less …just gives us lip service Dumb fans who fill Met Life seats instead of staying home This franchise (NY Jets) is just a J & J investment scheme like Tylenol or Band Aids Face reality please Of course Woody could sell the Team ..lol
This is your idea of calming down and thinking clearly? People have waaaaaayyyyy too much time on their hands.
So my wife tells me. LOL!!! Thing is, what part doesn't make sense or is way of base? It's fantasy football vs. reality. The reality is I BELIEVE they are TRYING to teach these players, who should already know these things by the way, how to not play stupid. How to not get penalties, make turnovers, know their assignments. However, as many have very correctly pointed out, MOST of these players are "barely" NFL caliber, if that. When a player doesn't have the talent or skill what we are seeing on the field is the result. You can cuss, rant, tell, teach but you can't actually go DO these things FOR them. And, accountability can only go so far as you can execute "whatever" punishment. They simply cannot replace/bench/cut every marginal player who fucks up on every down. It's just not reality. I also don't want to see "my" head coach on the T.V. admitting to how shitty the roster is and how bad the players he has are. His ONLY recourse is to tell "us" that they'll try to do better but he knows they won't. I mean, shit, did you take a good hard look at his face? He KNOWS he's got a 90 degree uphill battel but he also KNOWS, first hand, Jets fans. He knew when he agreed to come to the team. It's just going to take time. I can't even give him a solid critique on his coaching because the roster he has to work with is so bad.
The way they have handled the kick returner position is abysmal. They have 2 fumbles, a fair catch at the 2 yard line and a valuable running back injured on a return. It's just atrocious.
It never occurred to me how much "Tre Lance" looks like some kind of abbreviated nickname for "Trevor Lawrence" til just now.
