Fields is among the more frustrating QBs, because you can see the physical talent. He feels like the textbook definition of "can make all the throws." I know thats said about every QB, but this is the first time I feel like I truly see it. Unfortunately, he seems to only play great when he has extraordinary protection. That works for games here and there, but no offensive line is going to be that good for a 17 game season.
Because that’s who he is. His problem is not physical…yes he has a strong arm and he is athletic, so yes he can “make all the throws”. The problem with him is between the ears…he does not have the requisite mental part of being a QB. If he can see an open guy and has time to throw it, he can get the ball there. But he can’t do the other stuff That’s why that TD throw with pressure in his face I would not have expected him to make in a million years…that was an anticipatory throw with pressure…well played there. But with him, that is the one exception…we NEVER see him make those kinds of throws. I just don’t think it’s in him. and let’s not get fooled into thinking he’s “getting it” or he’s “turned the corner” or whatever else they will want to say…we played literally the worst D in the league…if he can play like that consistently against better defenses, then I’ll start noticing…but until then I’ll stick to my evaluation of him.
There was a lot at play yesterday. The Woody disaster, going back to Fields, the Mangold news... it's really hard to tell what was what. But I do feel like I saw a lot of what we've been seeing all year from Engstrand, the execution was just far better. Is it the opponent or is it the QB, OL and RB clicking? Was Tyler Johnson getting open for the first time all year (although he was good against Carolina too)? Was Breece extra motivated because it's his last game before the trade deadline? I full expect the Browns game to be a regression to the mean but one of these dudes is probably here for the long haul, and he's the one that's for the most part done his job consistently well. So that's the big win I'm taking from yesterday.
It was the exact same play he hit Garrett for a TD on in week 1. Hopefully that's something Engstrand sees and takes advantage of.
I will say... I have absolutely nothing against religion in any way as long as people aren't pushing it on others which he absolutely is not... but the whole breaking down crying in the closet thing... yikes. Dude seemingly has gone kooky.
He was being vulnerable and lets be honest his closet is the size of our master bedroom. Dude probably was frustrated about not getting a win yet
I feel strongly opposed to your take. I was worried that Fields did not care. He was taking sacks, losing, the owner shitting on him, and not really showing any frustration. But with those comments he showed that he cares deeply and for that I am more encouraged. We just went through a situation where the no.2. overall pick reluctantly started games late in the year and seemingly wanted to be benched/traded/cut. I'll take kooky every single time over that bullshit
Probably should have clarified... he said it wasn't even about football. Edit: Eh, he didn't say it wasn't about football. Nevermind I suppose. Originally I read it like he was one of those people speaking tongues in the church in Borat when he said it was about spreading faith.
I get that 100%. BUT The Jets have played other bad defensive teams this season they looked ferocious against the Jets even in this game the Bengals defense was all smiles early on. It was looking like more of the same crap we had watched for most of the season. Then Fields completed that short pass underneath, then another and another and another. I don't know what to expect from Fields and co. coming off the bye. It is difficult for me to imagine Fields and the Jets with two weeks to rest & prepare for Cleveland, possibly getting Wilson back, coming off that performance against the Bengals playing offense the way they did against Buffalo, Dallas, Carolina at home. I'm hopeful. The Jets gotta give us something to cheer for, to get excited about. If the Jets do show signs that Cincinatti was a turning point especially Fields get a WIN against Cleveland I'll feel giddy.
He disqualified himself in the first half with the Jets in their own territory fourth down and two feet to go. Feet, not yards. His play started with the ball being pitched to twenty feet behind the line. TFL turnover in scoring position for the Bengals. Probably the play you mention.
This is such an indictment on our QB play. Arian Smith leads all WRs in separation vs. man but is also lowest in the league in yards per route run vs. man. He has one drop on the season so that's not to blame.
god damn this is frustrating. This is solely on the QB, no way around it. Furthers my wishes to keep Engstrand around because I think with even average QB play this offense works.
I think it is on both. Clearly we have something in Smith since he is actually leading the league in separation. I did not expect that. But are we taking deep shots to him? No! It's not like QB missed him, I don't remember many targets at all. Why is that? QB and play design, I am not sure why you are absolving Tanner here at all.
Yes, that's the play. I later learned Tanner called sneak, but Fields opted out of it since he did not like the look. That was a big mistake by Fields, sneak would have worked great. Still even the second option should have been a lot better than what we ended up with.
These are real game logs of a NFL starting QB in 2025 Vs Buffalo: 3-11 for 27 yards Vs Denver 9-17 for 45 yards Vs Carolina 6-12 for 46 yards Vs Cleveland 6-11 for 54 yards I would not believe this if I had not seen it with my own eyes. These would be pathetic numbers for a high school quarterback
Pretty insane. That's half the games he played. Half. I don't think Zach Wilson has ever done that bad. Which brings up the question, why should he play anymore? There is simply no short or long term benefit of trotting him out there when every other game is this type of performance. And I am saying this as someone who was a big fan and wanted to see him get plenty of opportunity. But I always follow the the evidence and it is overwhelming where we need a change. Even on a short week. Tyrod practiced with the ones before. I understand we won yesterday, but this was IN SPITE of this performance, not because of it. I want to see some competency in coaches' decision making when it comes to playing time. If not this week, then next one it must be done. But I think better this week.
I’m sorry, no disrespect but I don’t think you really know what’s going on out there on the field.and passing judgment on an OC that doesn’t have a QB who can execute 90% of the passing plays, or criticizing an OL that has to provide protection to a QB with the longest hold time and no reading ability. Are you really blaming getting properly beat on the line coach or OC? No wizard OC can fix this mess. He and the OL deserve a medal for putting up with that shit from AG. He is absolutely forced to establish a running game against defending boxing 7 because they don’t fear the pass, and he can’t trust him to throw the ball with anticipation. Ever.
I hope you are right, and the easy fix is to just start Tyrod. And I want that to happen on Thursday. It did not really work for 1.5 games Fields was hurt, but Tyrod deserves some more time too. And ultimately bring in Brady Cook too in needed. He had a solid preseason. 24 years old, practiced on the team for most of the season. But Tyrod first. With that out of the way, take a look at this all 22 as an example. Chase Daniel is very reputable guy. 0:55, backside D tackle is just not blocked, allowed pressure. 3:04, did not cover the C Gap, allowed pressure. 5:05, that's Tyrod in. Another protection breakdown, looks to be schematically fooled, communication issue. No one open either. 5:30 overly complex design, spacing is pretty bad. 8:35 unblocked pressure. Need to have an extra guy protect if you want to throw. Just watch the whole all 22 video and analyze yourself if you don't want to listen to Daniels. And this was against the Panthers and honestly it is kind of a micro chasm of the offense this entire season. What I take away though is not only that Fields sucks, and yes he absolutely does, but there are other issues as well. And not because of OL talent necessarily. A lot of it is schematic, lack of communications, etc... Don't you think coaching has a role in that? Which is why when Taylor did come in for game and a half we didn't really see all that much difference in the outcome. Maybe now will be different, and we should try it. But so far what I have seen is that yes, Fields sucks, but unfortunately it is not all just on him. So these of you who say we suck only because of Fields, like Woody did, I want to see more of it with another QB also in addition to the other 1.5 games we already saw. But I am also not convinced that it will solve all problems, because there is evidence of other issues plus 1.5 game sample that didn't work. But let's pull the plug and see before judging. But if CS does not pull the plug and we continue to suck, that's on them too. They have the power to do it, and it's on them for not doing so. If continue to look like ass all year, you are ass.
Fair points. The Jury is still out on the whole coaching staff, not just the OC. However, the JF experiment is coming to an end rapidly. The bigger issue to me is the depth behind JF. TT is not the answer. Soon we might be experimenting with a rookie behind center and see if the game plan has a chance.
