OK folks i am going on record to personally rubber stamp whatever method the jets must do to get CJ..... now those of you who actually read my sporadic posts know that i rarely approve drafting certain players at such a high spot. the golden rule is to NEVER draft a WR, RB, CB, or OL with a top 5 pick...... However, there comes a time to break your mold and this may just be the time. hey we do NOT know what has or will go down. The Lions may play hard ball, the jets may play low ball, etc etc. Regardless of what happens the possibility NEEDS to be explored and the jets should be very serious about giving up picks and players to move up the necessary 20+ spots. We know they inquired about bush, leinart and vernon davis last year so we know they will at leats inquire about johnson right? The impact of this guy would be huge IF he lives up to the hype which appears to be almost a given. i am NOT thrilled about having pennington throw this guy the ball but even this guy could make CP a better downfield passer. (ok - a little bit better). but it only starts there. He would give the jets that guy the defenses HAVE TO attend to.... i do not have the value chart in front of me but i believe the #2 spot is 25-2600pts or so.... this years 1st, this years 2nd (the jets 2nd, not the one from wash) and next years first....... ok rant over, comments always respected, jil
Don't get Johnson, please! Stay where you are and keep your picks, more top 100 players for less money is better than 1 completely unproven entity for a ton of money. We go through this nonsense ever year. Don't panic, we are in good hands. We will get quality and value that will enable us to compete each year on a high level. Rash moves like this are foolish, especially considering where we are in our development cycle.
The only thing that would make this even remotely appealing is the prospect of having Kellen Clemens deliver the ball in the near future (in other words, if he's starting within 1-2 years). Otherwise, I consider this a complete and utter waste of resources at this time and, quite frankly and even more serious, possibly squandering our future over one guy. I think the move would be considerably short-sighted. I also think he would break the bank in terms of dollars to sign him, further crippling our recovery. I just don't think we're the team that can afford to make this move at this particular time. I'd do this thing if things were slightly different, but they're not. Our lines are NOT SB-caliber, nor are some other positions. Call me "too conservative," as I'm sure most of you will.
It would be a mistake for the Jets to give so much for the 2nd overall pick. We don't even need a WR, I'm very happy with Coles and Cotchery. To move up from 25th to 2nd, we would have to give up a lot. It's not worth it for a WR. I never think it is a good idea to move that high unless you are drafting a QB, which we don't need. I wouldn't even give that much for AP.
Calvin Johnson would be amazing, but unless we trade Coles and other picks to move up I dont think we need him. If they move up to 2, draft Peterson.
If we can package Coles with our first and one of our seconds this would be the steal of the draft. It will not happen, the writtings on the wall the Pats are going to trade up and get him.
what tells you the pats are moving up for Johnson? just because they have 2 first rounders, doesn't mean much they just got welker and are apparently trying to trade for Randy Moss... don't think they would need calvin johnson too....
Great logic. I think it's safe to assume at this point that any player that might be a good fit on the Jets will wind up on the Pats if the Jets don't get him.
I have to say that I love CJ as a prospect and salivate at the thought of him playing with us. However, I will say that I'm completely undecided about the prospect of trading Vilma for him and leaning towards not doing it. I'm sick of people saying that Johnson wouldn't fit in, however. I posted this in the other thread: He'd definitely improve our offense, even if we did give up Coles in the process. However, is it worth the possible hit on defense and from losing possibly 2 other prospects?
Some might call it pessimism rather than logic. Not me, I'm looking for the Joey Porter annoucement from the Pats any minute now.
The non intelligent argument would be Chad can't even get the ball to that kind of receiver. Randy Moss and Chad Pennington did all kinds of good things together in college. Look it up. Moss is 6'4, weighs 210, is a bad route runner, questionable character. CJ is 6'5, 239, great route runner, equal hands, equal speed, great character. If you throw the ball like a girl, you want a big target to go to, you don't necessarily want a speedy small guy that you have to throw to as soon as he makes the cut, you want someone who can go get the ball, which Johnson clearly can. It's like a TE for a rookie. A rookie QB relies on his TE a lot. The right argument is it's probably not a good time to make such a move, but it would be nice to have an impact player for years to come. Unfortunately, I think this move would set us back too far.
I agree with you man. I say that if we send Coles, which would be weird the Lions did because they have Roy Williams and Mike Furrey, then do it. Because Cotch is young and good, and CJ is younger and even better. It depends on how JV will adapt in his 2nd season of the 3-4 to determine whether or not to send him rather than Coles. But if we got CJ then we have trade bait in Coles for another position.
Other than Jerry Rice, a reciever has never won a superbowl. It did not work for us with Keyshawn or Minnesota with Moss.
There are an incredible amount of HOF WR who just happend to be on SB teams including the Jets SB team. Warfield, Swan, Stalworth, Irvin to name a few you can throw in with Rice.
Hell no! Way to expensive to fill a position that is not a need! Coles and Cotch are one of the best WR tandems going right now.
They are adequate and Coles is likely on the back 9. If we can move Coles right now when he is at he's absolute peak for a real game changing stud it would be so worth while for a team that's clearly a few years away.
This team is not a few years away. Fill the needs (CB, DT, OG, etc.) and we are set to make a run next yr. 10-6 and a playoff birth this yr was a great first step, next season is the time to make the SB run.
