Patriots sign Donte' Stallworth...merged

Asanti was on the news last night saying how well his contract talks where going. There was just an article on espn where his agent dispelled rumors of Asanti being unhappy.

How did the saints do after requiring Drew Breeze? I wonder how much money they Jets are going to pat TJ? Your pretty hypocrtical.

One of th emost delusional jets fans in history, lol.

 

Hoping for the best? Kinda ironic to say around here, imo. I assume none of these moves are going to help a team that made it to the afc championship last year? I think you should be hoping for the best with the .516 schedule next year. You know since last year was a cake walk for us and all.

The only high priced guy they picked up is Thomas. How is that different from when they spent big bucks on Colvin? Not sure how this deal will cause problems, they had 29 million in cap space, and there entire roster tendured before fa. Have you even looked at how much Thomas is against the cap in the years that matter? A very small amount. They saved a big chunk of money bringing on Morris and Brady, when Dillon got cut, and Graham went to Denver (to get 15 million gauranteed.) He is not worth anything close to that to them when they have Watson and Thomas already. They used Graham to block. They saved 4.4 million against the cap when Dillon walked, and a ton of money year replacing Graham with Brady. Graham just got huge money in Denver. They only need Brady to block, they have two great te's in Watson and that former rookie out of Texas (Thomas) like I said above. They got Stallworth and Washington for next to nothing in one year deals. Not sure where you are coming from calling those guys "expensive". Thats just flat out false. Both those deals hinge on there performance. Funny all the things you claimed it would take for you to call the Stallworth deal a good move, turned out to be true... But, you all the sudden dont like the deal? Who would have been a better player to step in to fill there immediate linebacker needs, until whomever they draft develops? Was Belichick mistaken when he scouted Thomas all week at the pro bowl? Why was the Porter deal "a nice pick up" but not the Thomas deal? It does matter that the pats got Thomas for less then he could have gotten from more from other teams. Welcome to the fa market in 2007. Overpaying would have ment they payed more then Thomas was offered. They did the opposite. The market dictates how much a player gets. They got him for less then his market value. When the cap increases it will only get worse. It is called growth. How much do you think Thomas Jones is going to cost us? By your logic bringing him in was a bad idea. We should have used the draft right?! How about all those sites people around here quote to show what a great deal the industry thinks the Jones pickup was.Why do those same guys say the same about the Thomas deal? What do you not get? The pats have nine draft picks uncluding two first round picks. They used there fa money to fill immediate needs in fa. They will then back that up with a solid draft. Are you saying they do not draft well? Are you saying they are not using ALL there options to get better? Will they forget how to draft this year? Will they missplace there 10 draft picks and sit out? Washington and Stallworth are short money deals with no risk. Until either one of them does something with the pats to show bad charector or get suspended, you are just speculating. I do not think either one of them has ever been suspended or arrested. You cannot fill all the holes the pats had, with just a draft. Not when you are contending for a sb again. A team that still has over 8.5 million in cap space with the moves they have made is doing pretty good I would think. They are not the same as these teams you are comparing them to. Wait until the draft, lol. I bet you bash every player they take, but would be happy if the jets took them.

Btw, how did N.O do after they brought in Breeze? As for the Asante deal, you are mistaken again. You are speculating and do not seem to keep up with current news...

NFL.com

Linebacker Lance Briggs is disgruntled about receiving the franchise tag from Chicago. But cornerback Asante Samuel does not share the same angry feelings about the franchise tag he received from New England.

Though Samuel will not show up at the Patriots' offseason conditioning program that kicks off Monday, the cornerback's agent Alonzo Shavers said Tuesday that it has nothing to do with the unsettled contract situation and everything to do with his client living and training in Florida.

"That's all this is about," Shavers said.

Samuel worked out in Florida last offseason, and nobody mentioned anything about his level of happiness. Shavers said anybody that has speculated that his client is staying away from New England due to unhappiness is incorrect.

So Briggs has set the record straight and now, apparently, Samuel's agent has attempted to do the same.

 

jetsman22 are you sure you're not a Pats fan? You seem to defend these signings more than some of us Pats fans

 

Well so far I've seen a 100% pro Pats. I could see admiring or respecting a team(even a rival), but it seems to go waaaay beyond that :lol:

 

That couldn't be anymore obvious. I wish he'd change his name.

 

because he's a Patriots homer. What else do you want him to post about? How hot Brady's girlfriends are?

 

If you say so it must be true

I think I trust BB's opinion over yours.

How do you figure the Eagles got Curtis for less money than the Pats got Welker?

Curtis: 6 years 32 million, 9.5 million guaranteed
Welker: 5 years 18 million, 9 million guaranteed

 

Welker:

Signing bonus: $5.5 million in 2007.
Option bonus: $3.5 million payable in 2008

9 million guaranteed

I never mentioned draft picks, only refuted your statement about Curtis being cheaper financially, which is incorrect

You think Curtis is better, that's your opinion and that's fine but Welker is 3 years younger too. This was the only year he started.

How well do you think Curtis would have done this year with Culpepper, Harrington, and Lemon throwing to him, and not playing at least half of his games on turf?

Stats are nice but don't tell the whole story. And I don't ever remember reading Curtis being the hardest working player on the team, like I heard about Welker from Miami fans.

 

Welker is a better player then Curtis. They had to give up a second round pick for him either way since he was a rfa. They obv threw in the 7th rounder to smooth things over with the whole poisen pill thing. They had four extra picks coming to them this year from players leaving. Including the two first rounders. hence them burning a second rounder on a sure thing. They still have nine picks left.

 

Why are you comparing Curtis to Welker? You should be comparing Curtis to Stallworth. NE got Stallworth for next to nothing. NE got Welker to work in the slot and return kicks. You should be comparing Curtis to Stallworth, that is who he is there to replace. Stallworth had 28 td's and is a far better player then Curtis. The patriots got him for cheap money in a no risk one year deal.

Miami got a second round pick because he was a rfa... NE threw in the seventh to smooth things over for the poisen pill stuff.

NE had 12 picks total before they picked up Welker. They now have 10 due to the 4 comp picks they recieved for players leaving (3rd and fourth rounders). That leaves them with 10 picks according to Pioli, including the two first rounders. They drafted Chad Jackson and Johnson with there 2nd rounders... They obvioulsy see Welker as a sure thing and thought he was worth grabbing him instead of gambling when they have not had good luck puicking up recievers. Belicheick is bvest friends with Saban, Obviously he knows what kind of player Welker is. Obviously they see something in the kid they want. Are you claiming they cannot evaluate talent? NE has 10 picks left. Not sure how they over payed for anything. They got all there f/a for less then they could have gotteon on the market. As I stated above, Morris and Brady SAVED them a ton of money. To retain Graham and Dillon would have been far more costly. Washington and Stallworth cost them PEANUTS in low risk one year deals. Both those players turned down MORE money to play for the Titans and Dolphins. The only player they spent money on was Thomas. You cannot overpay for someone that took LESS then there market value to play for you. Again Thomas took LESS then he was offered from Miami and Sf.... There where far bigger deals then the pats made. How much do you think Thomas Jones is going to cost the jets? It is called the market in 2007.

They still have 9.5 million in cap space left. You get owned on every single post you start. Just give it up delusional junction.

 

All I know is BB/SP has higher regard for Welker than Curtis since he was willing to give up draft picks. That says alot to me even though I don't know much about Curtis.

 

If a team has 12 picks like the pats do, they might burn a second rounder on a guy who they feel is a sure thing, and they really need. Look at the last two reciever they took with the same pick. Johnson was a bust and Jackson is injured every 5 seconds. Belichick is good friends with Nick Saban. He knows this kids ability. They have four extra comp picks this year to go along with the 29 million in cap space and two first rounders.I think he will tirn out to be a great player for them.

Funny how people around here are ignoring they picked up Stallworth for next to nothing in a no risk deal.

 

Lets take a look at this typical inaccurate and exaggerated post by "delusional junction" Your original question was what teams did well after bringing in a big Money guy... I said the Saints after they Brought in Breeze. The pats brought in ONE big money guy this year. Then after you see you are proven wrong, you add factors such as charector that at this point, are PURE speculation. How about the pats after they Brought in Colvin or Dillon? How did Dillons Charector issues work out? What about when the colts gave Adam V the money he wanted? They always spend all there cap money. How about 2001 when the patriots spent ALL there cap money on 24 fa, then won the super bowl. At the time it was "big money" to them. Who cares who it was for. They spent ALL there money on fa then. They still have 10 million left this year. They also have 10 draft picks left, including 2 first round picks according to Pioli.



Lets look at the "overpay" for all the new players statement. Possibly the dumbest statement yet


Stallworth and Washington where picked up for CHEAP MONEY in one year deals.You claim they have charector issues, but have yet to be suspended for anything. No different from when Dillon came in to NE, and was never an issue. Until they have an issue, you are speculating. Pretty much all you do. Not only did NE get both those guys for cheap money in one year deals, they both turned down money from the Titans and the Phins to play there. Not sure how NE overpayed for two guys they got for cheap money, in one year deals. Stallworth was cheap, Washington was for peanuts. Couple that with the fact both guys turned down more gauranteed money/years from the Titans and Phins, and that makes your claims even more halarious/inaccuarate.

Sammy Morris SAVED them money. Dillon was against the cap for 4.5 million in 2007. Morris is not making anything close to that, lol. HE IS A ROLE PLAYER. Not sure how they overpayed when they saved millions bringing in a role player to flank Maroney.

Kyle Brady was brought in for blocking, and to replace D Graham, who left for Denver to make 15 million guaranteed. Brady SAVED them money. He was not expensive at all. HE IS A ROLE PLAYER... They have two good tight ends in Thomas and Watson. Not sure how saving themselves millions on a guy who can block just as good as Graham is overpaying. They would have had to at least match what denver offered Graham and he is not worth that much. They saved money genious.

Adalius Thomas was the number one free agent this year. The patriots need a versitile lb to step in while they draft and develope another guy. Not only can Thomas play 5 defensive positions, he can gun punts also. The patriots go out and Sign Thomas for less then he could have Gotten from Miami and SF and they made a bad deal? How is this different from when they spent bucks on Colvin? What was a better solution? You cannot overpay for someone when you get them for less then there market value. Welcome to the fa market in 2007, it will only get worse when the cap increases genious. The same reason guys didnt make this kind of money 5 years ago, its called growth. Funny how everyone in the nfl is calling this a great move but jets fans, lol I wonder why. The patriots have 29million in cap space with all there players locked up, yet should sit on it and do nothing? You would say that.


Wes Welker is a guy who brings a skill set comparable to Troy Brown. The pats obviously felt he was worth 2 of there 12 picks. If he turns out to be what they wanted he would be worth every cent of that 9 million over six years to them. Until you see that he is NOT worth what they think he is you are speculating. As usual you are a better talent evaluator then Scott Pioli, lol. Look at the last two guys they burned second round picks on. Bethel Johnson and Chad PUP Jackson. Welker was a rfa so they traded a late second rounder for him. The patriots started with 12 picks including there comp picks they recieved. They now have 10 picks including 2 first rounders (after all these moves). Do you think they are going to have a bad draft with those ten picks? Has history shown they do not know how to draft? Do you think that Belichick and Pioli do not know what they are doing? They are going to use those picks effectivley and back up some good fa moves with a good draft. Not sure how having nine million left in cap money, 10 draft picks (including two first rounders) and improving your immediate needs with fa is makes them worse.

As you saw before when I schooled you , they are close with signing Asante who is apparently going to take less money then he could get in the open market to remain a pat. If those rumors hold true I would say a pretty good offseason for the pats. Seeing how they had 29 million in cap space, all there core players locked up long term, there entire roster tendured, 9 million left in cap space and 10 draft picks (including two first rounders). Yeah your right, terrible moves!

I cant blame you for saying the things you do. You ever realize the jets are the young pats? Who mentored Mangini? What was Mangini for most his career. Was he a patriot? I hope the people who mentored him arent as dumb as you claim!!!!! Same goes for the other coaches/players we poach from them, hope they arent as dumb as you make the pats sound. Whatever helps you sleep at night. We shall see how that .516 schedule treats the jets next year. The pats are the least of our worries. Funny how the nfl is praising the Thomas deal but you are bashing it. Yet when they prasie the Jones deal you are all giddy to agree. By your own logic the Jets should never have brought in Jones. It is crazy to being in big money guys to fill certain holes, remeber??!!!!!! Yikes I think this post proves how delusional you are better then the other ones I wrtoe. I am sure the jets will over take the pats next year and the pats will miss the playoffs, lol.

 

Stallworth has missed 4 of his last 44 games. Stallworth has been out due to injury less in his career then Deion Branch in the same amount of games). The Stallworth deal is a one year deal that gives the pats the ability to cut him if they do not like his play. They brought him on for cheap money, and have no obligation to keep him past the 07 season. his deal in based on performance. Don't know how you get less risk then that.

He is better then anything they had. You said in your first post you would have said it was a good pick up if it was option laden. You then found out it was for cheap money, and the deal was infact option laden. Now you are not sure if it is a good deal?

Btw, the only reason Stallworth's 1 st time drug offense is known is because it was leaked. I would love to know how many players are on that list you dont know about since they did not have there names leaked. Do you know what details the charge? The patriots have protection clauses from any drug issues. There is really no risk for them, just the ability to get a talented reciever to take over for Branch at less money. If they dont like him they cut him, they made it to the afc championship with what they had last year. They xcan only improve at the wr position. The guy has to perform to even make it back for 08. He took less money to play there and gave up power, looks like that is a sign of maturity to me. There is noway they bring him on unless they are sure he will be a good locker room guy. Same deal with Dillon. Until he is suspended for something, gets arrested or proves to be a issue you are speculating and making senarios up. You can say "what if" about anything.

Curtis should be compared to Stallworth and in that sense he is a homerun. Unless you are the patriots and run there offense you cannot say that Curtis is worth more then Welker. To them Welker was obvioulsy worth more. They had 12 picks and felt he was worth there second rounder. Belichick is friends with Nick Saben. They ob asw something they wanted. Until Welker proves other wise you are yet again speculating. Curtis and Welker make the same money btw. The difference was the draft choice since Welker was a rfa. Welker is more versatile, the guy kicked a frekin fg before. Look at there last second round pick. How did he work out. They had 12 picks and 2 first rounders. they still have 10 picks and 2 first rounders. Please stop acting like they do not have a lot of draft picks. I guess they are going to have a terrible draft with 10 choices.