The Jets have two soft games on the schedule next year, Cleveland and KC at home. The rest are toss up games. We are going to have to be substantially better than last year to go 8 & 8. We may be but unless our OL and DL are much better than last year hard to see how that happens? We have some nice explossive players on both O and D but our front lines were below average all year. Without significant improvement on the lines the Jets are a 500 team this year. I would like to see who is actually going to make us better on the lines in 07 before makeing any prediction.
I've got to agree with you on this one Biggs-- most of you are taking the games that will be very close either way, and giving all of them to the Jets. Realistically, we have the same chances of going 6-10 as we do 12-4. This is a very solid schedule-- no real gimmies- not even KC or the Browns IMO. I would expect 8-8 with the posibility of up to 10 wins if we stay pretty healthy, or get a real LG before the season starts. I see 1-3 with Baltimore, NE, and Cincy-- the rest are pretty close games, and I see us dropping a few more close ones. Almost all of those teams were in the playoffs, or fighting for it late in the season last year. We were lucky with no injuries, and an easy second half to get there. No discredit to the team, they earned everything they got last year, but I would be surprised to see them make the playoffs again, despite this being a better team.
Maybe if that one hit is Clemens getting into a fight with Pennington and Pennington gets a broken eye socket and Clemens gets suspended as a result.
because its a gang green message board....for the jets....not that we dont talk about the nfl....but we specifically talk jets.....
cant argue the miller point....hes a PI penalty waiting to happen....but poteat is def servicable. he did a solid enough job last year....and weve def gotten better with the addition of reivis..... and the QB comment....every team is one bad hit away from the backup starting.....i know chads fragile, but the comment was just kind of dumb.... im curious as to what your deal is with bashing on the jets though....i know youre a gayder fan, and thats all well and good.....but seeing as the raiders wont be in the playoffs, and have been pretty bad for a bit now...well, those in glass houses... oak will def improve (itd be hard to get worse...lol)but they arent some powerhouse. i know that 12-4 is insanely optimistic...and pretty unrealistic (as i posted before) but dude......even the biggest homers on this board arent nearly as bad as 2/3s of gayder nation.
Listen you don't have to agree with views , just stating my opinion.(not always wrong) Here is a couple points. On CB- Tell me howe many starters you had last year opposite A dyson. IF Poteat they believe was capable starter they don't have to trade up for Revis. Now on to Revis- better cb's than revis have struggled some in their rookie year . Revis from what I read was very inconsistant as a senior. Now were going to expect him to come in and be a consistant starter from day one in the NFl. I don't know what Revis is going to be eventually be as a cb(could be all pro) but I think jet fans expectations are little unrealistic. (for 2007) QB- Yes every team one hit away from backup, but in Jets offense, Chad Pennington a big part of the offense sucess. 43 percent sucessful on third downs conversions is very impressive.( credit has to go to QB) You expect backup QB to be able substain drives at that number. Just a little worse third down conversion rate and offense is suddenly not even in the same ball park. You have a unknown In Clemens and a never been in Tuiasosopo. Now also Yes C Pennington was able to stay healthy for 16 games but will that be case in 2007(he's no Cal ripken Jr) Now On to raiders, who Knows raiders won't be in playoffs next year(can't say that about any team) or who is going to be in the playoffs. Right now you say there chances , aren't as good,as alot of other teams,(more what happened last year) but you never know. (see saints and Titans to extent) Raiders will be as good as their oline(biggest questionmark) Raiders oline plays good and they have a good shot to make playoffs next season. Despite being 2- 14 year before.
ho cares? That's what makes a sched tough. We played simialr # of playoff teams as the other playoff teams and we had a higher SOS than at least half of the playoff teams. The weak sched argument is weak. Playing in the AFC East which has been one of the top 1-2 div for most of the last decade we usually have a very tough sched, it was a bit easier last year but not so much easier that it was the biggest reason we made the playoffs. All the playoff teams playd simialr scheds in terms of difficulty. We found a way to get to 10 wins and the others found what to get to 8-14 wins. Again, do you want Pro Bowlers backing up? McCareins is a GOOD player, he was our best WR in ouer 10 win div playoff year of 2004. he was very valubale to us after he adjusted to his new role last year. Hed start on many teams, he is quality depth. Dwight is a proven quality slot WR, Smith showed flashes as a rookie. Not many teams have a better WR corps than we do. Once again you don't need PBers to back up. These are guys if pressed into action can get the job done short term- that's what you want from depth. You obviously didn't watch Hank last yera, he did a great job for us. Our secondary was excellent last year w/ a D that had no pass rush and no big names starting. We have an excellent secondary which should be strengthened by Revis. Coleman, Kimo, Haynes. We have quality depth whether you want to see it or not. It's not bad having a former starter in Kimo backing up and a guy like Coleman who had 4 sacks last year as a backup in Dallas. Pouha has ability, his loss was bigger than people realize last year. I expect big things from him. He'll provide quality depth. If we lose Chad we are in trouble, you can say that about pretty much any team though. Imagine if you guys lose Andrew Walter this year, you could go all the way from 2 wins to 1 win:lol: Barnes was decent in Miami, The Jets seem to like Tutt's ability. The depth at this position isn't great but I can live w/ FB being the biggest question mark on the team. Baker is a GOOD TE, not great but he's good. We could use better depth at this position. So far we don't have greta epth at 2 positons- TE and FB. You made it sound like we had no depth anywhere which was misinformed. Yep you proved me wrong, we have no players at all. We won 10 games b/c of the sched and that's it. I only we wish we had half the talent and depth of the Oakland Raiders. We'll be lucky to win 5 games this year w/ such a difficult sched. We don't know that yet, a sched may look weak or strong in July but we won't know until the season. I remember going into '02 all the talk was we better gett of to a good start b/c we had a tough sched late and we were awful early then picked it up late. In '04 SD was supposed to be a cupcake then they won 12 games, in '05 we were supposed to be good but turned out to be awful. You don't know until they start playing.
Learn to Read . IF your playing majority games against bad teams it does matter. How many teams did Jets beat win a winning record last year. Again, do you want Pro Bowlers backing up? McCareins is a GOOD player, he was our best WR in ouer 10 win div playoff year of 2004. he was very valubale to us after he adjusted to his new role last year. Hed start on many teams, he is quality depth. Dwight is a proven quality slot WR, Smith showed flashes as a rookie. Not many teams have a better WR corps than we do.[/QUOTE] The Point is if Coles and cotchery are lost to injury, you really think MCCarreins is able to step into starting lineup and offense not going to feel there loss. Brad smith is a Gimmick right now- needs alot of work to be considered a true WR. Once again you don't need PBers to back up. These are guys if pressed into action can get the job done short term- that's what you want from depth. You obviously didn't watch Hank last yera, he did a great job for us. Our secondary was excellent last year w/ a D that had no pass rush and no big names starting. We have an excellent secondary which should be strengthened by Revis.[/QUOTE] Again How many starting Cb's did Jets have opposite dyson last year. They weren't happy with anyone(including Poteat) as starting CB. Revis is a rookie and its silly to think hes going to come in and upgrade Jets secondary in 2007.(when her was inconsistanthis senior year) Again this isn't a slam on revis, as all Cbs struggle their rookie year.(big jump from college to pro game) Coleman, Kimo, Haynes. We have quality depth whether you want to see it or not. It's not bad having a former starter in Kimo backing up and a guy like Coleman who had 4 sacks last year as a backup in Dallas. [/QUOTE] Kenyon Coleman is a bigger Bobby hamilton. Haynes has never lived up to draft status. Kimo is slipping and fast. Again just because you have bodies dosen't mean you have good depth. Pouha has ability, his loss was bigger than people realize last year. I expect big things from him. He'll provide quality depth.[/QUOTE] Who cares what youi think this 28 year old is going to be. Hes a hugh question mark and its foolish to say he proven depth. Will finish telling you where you wrong later.
In 05 prior to the season I thought we would suck because of the neglect of the OL and dumping Ferguson. We sucked for those reasons (NOTE I UNDERSTAND YOU DISAGREE AND IF PENNINGTON DOESN"T GO DOWN YOU THINK WE MAKE THE PLAYOFFS< YOU STILL DISCOUNT THAT THE OL SUCKING HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT) Last year I felt before the season we had a shot to make the playoffs because of schedule. So when you say in 05 we were thought to be good, I thought we would suck and in 06 when everyone thought we would suck I agreed but thought the teams we would play would suck worse. In 04 we played well and got to the playoffs by beating every cup cake on the schedule and lossing to every good team on the schedule except for SD who we owned for match up reasons.
Learn the game. Our SOS ws in line w/ all the playoff teams, all the AFC East teams played similar scheds, how come Mia and Buf won 6 & 7 games? How many teams did the Jets beat w/ a winning record? Irrelevant, we beat 1 playoff team which was in line w/ the other playoff teams. NE only beat 2, did they win 12 games b/c of the sched? of course not. What team, if they lose their starting WRs, will still be as good? These are silly arguments. You don't understand what depth is. Depth is not having great players ready to step in, it's aout having quality players who can play and we have that. If Coles and Cotch go down our passing game is in trouble but Justin has been a starter before and a good one. Once again he was our go to WR in 2004. He could step in if 1 got hurt and we'd still be good but obviously if we lost both then we'd be in trouble- name me the tam who wouldn't be? Our pass D was pretty damn good especially when you consider we could't rush the passer. Poteat settled in late and played very well. Now he gives us quality depth along w/ another former starter in David Barrett if he's stil w/ us. Miller has shown flashes but as a backup he's more than capable. Yep who cares what I think we should worry about what a Raider fan who barely watches us play thinks. Pouha is older- so what?
Learn the game. Our SOS ws in line w/ all the playoff teams, all the AFC East teams played similar scheds, how come Mia and Buf won 6 & 7 games? How many teams did the Jets beat w/ a winning record? Irrelevant, we beat 1 playoff team which was in line w/ the other playoff teams. NE only beat 2, did they win 12 games b/c of the sched? of course not. What team, if they lose their starting WRs, will still be as good? These are silly arguments. You don't understand what depth is. Depth is not having great players ready to step in, it's aout having quality players who can play and we have that. If Coles and Cotch go down our passing game is in trouble but Justin has been a starter before and a good one. Once again he was our go to WR in 2004. He could step in if 1 got hurt and we'd still be good but obviously if we lost both then we'd be in trouble- name me the tam who wouldn't be? Our pass D was pretty damn good especially when you consider we could't rush the passer. Poteat settled in late and played very well. Now he gives us quality depth along w/ another former starter in David Barrett if he's stil w/ us. Miller has shown flashes but as a backup he's more than capable. Yep who cares what I think we should worry about what a Raider fan who barely watches us play thinks. Pouha is older- so what? That means he's not allowed to succeed? You really should quit now instead of continiung to make a bigger and bigger fool of yourself. W/ ther OL sucking we were 1-1 and w/ injured Chad we still had a chance to beat a good Jags team. If we were healthy in '05 we win around 10 games. You know it all so you can save some some time what will we do this year? In '04 we beat every cupcake like 12-4 SD? 9-7 Buf? We were 1 of 2 makeable kicks away from the AFC Title game missing our best defensive player and w/ a QB who was playing w/ a torn rotator cuff on his throwing shoulder, you underestimate how good we actually were in 2004. In 2005 we would have been fine w/ injuries so your crystal ball helped you to see how incredibly beat up we'd be, last year we had a new, young CS and 2 rooks on the OL so your crystal ball told you b/c we had a somewhat weaker sched we'd still be good enough to win 10. Please save me the time and energy of watching this team and tell me what we will do this year. I am sure you predicted playoffs in '01, and expected a div title in 2002 as well so I trust your crystal ball.
No crystal ball Junk, we unloaded 2 5th of the OL and Fabinni was done by the end of 04 with a bad back. You can't lose 3/5th of the OL which was the best part of the 04 team and expect to compete. In 04 we beat an 0 & 3 Bills team at home and lost to them in their house. The Bills were not that good in 04 they had the same schedule we did. Miami sucked in 04 they went 4 and 12. We beat a lot of bad teams in 04 because we were solid up front on both lines. We let that go before the 05 season and went down the shoot. This years team is going to do something based on players who didn't play last year stepping up on both the DL and OL. Without that happening Thomas Jones will have the same impact on this team that Ty Law had on the 05 JETS.
Quote: Originally posted by nyjunc > Learn the game. Our SOS ws in line w/ all the playoff teams, all the AFC East teams played similar scheds, how come Mia and Buf won 6 & 7 games? How many teams did the Jets beat w/ a winning record? Irrelevant, we beat 1 playoff team which was in line w/ the other playoff teams. NE only beat 2, did they win 12 games b/c of the sched? of course not. Does that make jets a playoff team this year, because they were able to beat up cup cakes last year, while Dolphins and bills couldn't. Don't understand your logic. (that should have been four wins if those teams(dolphins, bills) weren't any good) This year schedule alot harder than last year. Yes or no. It is relevant how many teams Jets beat with a winning record last year. Why? This year your playing teams with winning record, compare to last year, and you can't beat them, than you not making the playoffs. What the bills and Dolphins do against harder schedule has no bearing. (they just might not be good teams) Quote: Originally posted by nyjunc > What team, if they lose their starting WRs, will still be as good? These are silly arguments. You don't understand what depth is. Depth is not having great players ready to step in, it's aout having quality players who can play and we have that. If Coles and Cotch go down our passing game is in trouble but Justin has been a starter before and a good one. Once again he was our go to WR in 2004. He could step in if 1 got hurt and we'd still be good but obviously if we lost both then we'd be in trouble- name me the tam who wouldn't be? Couple points.Yes you don't expect backups to be as good as the starters ,but you don't expect the drop off to not be that far. MCcarreins was a good starter with Titans, but was a major dissapointment starter as a Jet. There is a reason there been talk he might be a cap casualty at some point. He just not a good fit with Pennington. So don't insult anyone intelligence with Mccarreins. Brad smith right now is a full time WR? No he a gimmick learning how to play the position. Behind them are question marks galore. Quote: Originally posted by nyjunc > Our pass D was pretty damn good especially when you consider we could't rush the passer. Poteat settled in late and played very well. Now he gives us quality depth along w/ another former starter in David Barrett if he's stil w/ us. Miller has shown flashes but as a backup he's more than capable.
im not saying its impossible, but damn close....no playoffs for oak. they didnt do much in the offseason (aside from russell) to really improve that team enough. do i think they have a chance to win 6 games? sure....but they also play in the AFC, which isnt the nfc....its actually a good conference. i never claimed poteat to be great....a solid backup, sure....and dyson is still their #1 cb. im not saying reivis is gonna tear it up, but he def improves the secondary...i dont think thats debatable. will he have his bumps in the rookie road? you bet! as for chadwick.....as he goes so goes the offense....but we have a healthy pro bowler at rb for the first time in 2 or so years. that takes a ton of pressure off of him and the offense.
CONtinued. If we lose Chad we are in trouble, you can say that about pretty much any team though. Imagine if you guys lose Andrew Walter this year, you could go all the way from 2 wins to 1 win:lol: Listen just no other team is in worst shape at the most critical position. This is how bad. The raiders andrew Walter and Josh MCcown have more NFL starts than your two backups combined. (K Clemens and M Tuiasosopo- what does that say) Barnes was decent in Miami, The Jets seem to like Tutt's ability. The depth at this position isn't great but I can live w/ FB being the biggest question mark on the team. Barnes was decent, in Miami says who. Jets Like Tutts ability. Big deal like they like Anthony Schlegel ability as a LB. Sorry Fb is not your biggest question mark. Thats an assine statement Baker is a GOOD TE, not great but he's good. We could use better depth at this position. So far we don't have greta epth at 2 positons- TE and FB. You made it sound like we had no depth anywhere which was misinformed. Okay atleast you finally can agree on that one. Don't have to take you to task on that one. Yep you proved me wrong, we have no players at all. We won 10 games b/c of the sched and that's it. I only we wish we had half the talent and depth of the Oakland Raiders. We'll be lucky to win 5 games this year w/ such a difficult sched. Yes that is my position jets won 10 games(still supprised me with their lack of talent) largely because of a very soft schedule. Lets see if thats the case. Just save your injuries exscuse as the reason you don't even come close to 10 wins. Youtr and 8-8 team next year.
"Pouha has ability, his loss was bigger than people realize last year. I expect big things from him. He'll provide quality depth." how can you expect anything from pouha? hes done zero in the league, is comming off of a season ending injury and is 28 without 1 full nfl year under his belt....thats not exactly a ringing endorsement. he provides quality nothing.....just a big fat polynisian question mark. our OL is far from deep. we still need to pick up another interior lineman when one becomes available on the waiver wire....and thats not counting the loss of kendall. we have a solid secondary.....far from excellent. are you really trying to sell tim dwight as anything but over the hill? the guy is a returner, hes never been a quality wr.... how big of a homer can you be dude?
thats the dumbest thing ever said....of course if you lose BOTH your starting WRs youre gonna feel it....you couldnt have been serious.....could you?
