Canseco now claims to have dirt on A-Rod

What a fuckin tool.


In case that needed to be stated.

 

I actually give Jose a lot of credit for his first book. He really got this whole thing started and probably sped it up.

As it relates to this, I can't see how it's true. even arod's biggest critics can agree that he's been one of the most consistent hitters in history. Ever since he's been up in the majors, this has been the case.

 

jose was attacked when the first book came out and he turned out to be correct so we'll see if he's 2 for 2 w/ this book.

 

If he had anything on Arod it would have been in the first book as Yisman said. He's not even hinting that it has anything to do with steroids or even that it has anything to do with taking anything, just that he has "other-stuff" on Arod. Maybe he wants to tell us that Arod is a party animal or has a different girl in every city..**yawn**, so did Mickey Mantle. I guess he is worried about book sales.

 

I think the Palmeiro positive drug test provided a lot of legitimacy to Canseco's story since no one even considered him to be a suspect due to his less-than-bulky frame. We still don't know a lot of things about a lot of players. This steroid investigation is nowhere close to being over, and things will be coming out many many years from now. It may in fact be true that Bret Boone took something, or even Ivan Rodriguez. Who knows.

 

This crap is totally ruining the sport for me.

I'm almost at the point of saying "Oh well, since everyone is doing, who cares?" just so I can go back to enjoying the game. Unfortunately for me, it's just not in my nature to just accept something I honestly believe is wrong, simply to be able to deal with it.

If ARod is juicing, I may leave baseball behind forever. I just can't get past a guy who I thought was clean and played the game at the most elite level being just another cheater.

That said, this wouldn't surprise me. ARod is a big guy. He's got more power than I've ever seen, even in guys who have more muscle, albeit not the same combination of height and muscle. Not to mention how much he and Barry support each other.

Damnit, just give me football already. Baseball is too damned depressing for me.

 

I understand your feelings, except that I think that if anything, football has more illicit drug use than baseball does. Given the incredible brutality of the sport, the tremendous advantage afforded someone who is bigger, stronger, and faster (as opposed to the hand/eye aspect of baseball), the short life expectancy of football players (both careerwise and literally), the military us-against-them mentality that pervades the sport, and the rampant acknowledged use of painkillers by players, professional football seems a perfect breeding ground for performance-enhancing drug use. I think the reason people don't get nearly as worked up about it is that unlike in baseball, breaking records in football isn't viewed as all that big a deal (compare the hysteria surrounding McGwire, Sosa, and Bonds breaking HR records to the lack of hysteria surrounding Marino and Manning breaking TD records), and the game itself is much more team-oriented than individual-oriented.

 

Very good points all jeff!

Interestingly, I was talking about the steroid situation with my brother, and what you wrote brings up something I said to him. I almost wish Canseco had never said a word, and none of this ever came out. As with football, it would more be a situation of "I don't see it, so I don't know it." In my heart, I know there are MANY football players juicing. But it's not widely publicized the way it is in baseball.

On the subject of records, strangely enough, John Sterling and Suszyn Waldman actually had an intelligent conversation about just that the other night. They discussed how steroids is receiving a huge spotlight in baseball, since it's a sport of records, just as you stated.

I think a lot of it is the age difference between the length of mass popularity between the leagues. Many of the records we've seen broken the past decade or so have stood for decades. They were set by guys who have posthumously attained legendary status. When those records fall, I just think maybe it's too hard to accept when we believe that those guys "did it the right way."

Hell, look at Mickey Mantle. He's a perfect example. The guy was a total mess. He was a severe alcoholic, probably took more pain meds than a cancer patient, but hit a lot of homers. Today, most people, even non-Yankees fans, talk about him with respect, and only give passing attention to his problems with foreign substances.

I've heard (though I have no idea the truth behind it,) that Hank Aaron took amphetamines. If true, that pretty much invalidates arguments that Barry has done the same.

We've seen how many pitchers get nabbed for things like pine tar on their cap brim. Or the Niekro brother that had an emory board in his pocket.

Cheating has been going on for a long time, on both sides of the ball. I just don't know what I should do to reconcile it within myself. Do I just throw my hands up and say "screw it, whatever they want to do to their bodies is their problem, just entertain me?"

When I think I should, I think about my son, who desperately wants to play baseball when he gets older. He's a bit undersized for his age, so I could see him being tempted by the lure of steroids. When I was younger, I had the opportunity to play at a higher level, but I gave it up. Had I stuck with it, would I have done "whatever it took" to get ahead?

These are the questions I ask myself, and in the end, I just can't accept the cheating. I wouldn't have done it, and I'd be ashamed of my son if he did.

Now obviously I'm a hugely opinionated person, but I just wonder, how do others feel about it? For argument's sake, let's say we found out 80% of the players in the majors were taking some form of performance enhancer. How would you guys take it? (What I mean is that it was confirmed beyond a shadow of a doubt.) Let's say that if 80% is enough to make you say "well it's not really much of an advantage then, since so many are doing it," how about 40%?

I'm really curious to hear other POVs on this. As with anything else, I have an opinion formed, but I'm wondering how other people see it, and maybe I'm just too opinionated for the subject.

 

I bet Canseco had an affair with A-Rod.

 

Why does anybody think what he said has anything to do with steroids? He went out of his way to say "other-stuff". The only possible thing you can get out of that is that it would indicate it's something different then what he has written or spoken about before. I just read when even Torre mentioned he hopes Canseco isn't out to ruin somebody's marriage. That's all you can take from that comment.

 

Honestly, that's the first thought that entered my mind. I just wonder if it Canseco would bother to mention it though, considering the entire world is aware that ARod is not exactly the most faithful husband in the sport.

I hated Canseco as a player, and I hate him even more since his career ended. A total F'n douchebag. It's not even like he's blown the whistle to clean anything up. He's solely looking to extend his lifetime in the spotlight, and make some extra cash.

 

We all know Jeter sticks things in Arods ass. No need for a book about it.

 

:lol: :rofl:

 

Classic! Haha.

 

Its not hte worst thing an ex athlete has done for $

 

I'd be shocked if A-Rod's been juicing... he's just always been a slim and slender guy with power and top speed. What other juicer has had that going for him? And I'd love to hear the connection Canseco has with A-Rod, since he never played with the guy.