http://blog.nj.com/ledgergiants/2007/08/eli_to_tiki_youre_one_to_talk.html This after Tiki questioned Eli's leadership on National TV: Thank god. Someone had to say it.
I don't care for either of these guys but Eli's got to watch himself with the comments implying that Tiki wasn't playing hard or had given up on the season. I agree with him about Tiki running his mouth nonstop and being an all around ass but Manning played like dogshit the final 3 weeks of the season and Tiki singlehandedly carried the Giants to the playoffs that last week against the Redskins.
f eli.. i like tiki.. and eli has sucked for soooo long (which im happy about).. eli said he wouldnt play for the chargers... now i dont thik many teams wouldnt even want him to play them.. tiki carried that team for the past 2 seasons..
tiki's a jackass, but eli should've just said something like "if he wants to be unprofessional and criticize me, fine, but I'm not going to fire back."
Does anyone else feel, in looking at Eli, that he's got the leadership skills of a wet mop? The guy has NOTHING. No charisma, no fire, no balls. He's the kind of guy that would sit in front of you in HS, you'd slap him in the back of the head and his only rebuttal would be "sttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttop!." I can't see him leading a pack of ants towards an abandoned ham sandwich, much less a squad of NFL players. That being said, Tiki is an ass who should keep his mouth shut. Go out with some grace and dignity instead of being "that guy." Do you really want people to remember you as a great runningback who turned into an asshole, or would you rather just be known as a great runningback?
Actually I see Eli as the guy who knocks the books out of the small kids hands in the hallways and laughs like a retard with all his friends, then he goes to the back of the room and eats his boogers... either way... no real leadership skills... as far a Tiki goes, I like him... If I was in his situation, on a team that was full of overrated aging selfish babies with a psychopath coach with zero control over them & i was at his stage in his career I may have walked away too with my health...
Sweet. I can't agree more with what Eli said there. It almost makes me want to see him do well this season...Almost.
Thats all the giants are. All their fans blame coughlin and the play calling, but they've had the same zero leadership core for years. They were undisciplined under fassel, undisciplined under coughlin. At some point you have to blame the players for what they are; overrated babies with ZERO leadership. I want to bring up the point about Strahan that NO ONE is talking about. Some people justify his hold out as an excuse to miss camp. Now he is a so called leader of that team. What kind of example does that set for young guys? A true leader would not skip out on tough practices, a real leader would step up and be right there working with the rookies. Its a joke that people call him the heart and leader of that team.
And Tiki has to get his brother in his wittle battle with Eli. Barber Twits Twins Slam Eli Manning Again: He is Laughable Posted Aug 21st 2007 8:37PM by Dan Benton Filed under: NY Giants, NFL Gossip, New York http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007...twits-strike-twins-slam-eli-manning-again-he/ Did anyone actually think that the Eli Manning/Tiki Barber feud would end after only a few short days? Did anyone actually think that Barber would allow Manning to have the last word? If you thought either of those things, you'd be wrong -- and you'd be foolish. Barber made it a point to address Manning's comments tonight on Siruis Radio's "Barber Shop." He also recruited some help in attempt to further damage Eli's reputation. Twin brother Ronde Barber accompanied Tiki on the set and joyously joined in on a pathetically immature mocking of the New York Giants quarterback. It was a constant barrage for almost two hours with Ronde making comments about Eli's "testes finally dropping" and Tiki adding that "Kerry Collins was a true leader," claiming the Giants "shouldn't have let him go." They also added that Eli's return-fire was "laughable" and that Tiki is part of the media now and it's his job to be controversial. Now that the real Tiki has shown himself, a few things have become blatantly obvious. Unlike Lawrence Taylor, Phil Simms and Harry Carson who are ex-Giants, Tiki is just an ex-football player. It's clear that he couldn't care less about the organization and only about himself. Additionally, he also proved exactly what's wrong with the media when he stated that it's his job to be controversial. Oddly enough, he fails to realize that his job also involves quality analysis. He's not going to be taken seriously if he continues to make bogus comments like suggesting Kerry Collins was a "true leader." In all fairness to Collins, he was an alcoholic who stumbled his way through an NFL career and got lucky one year with the Giants when the offensive line jelled together for a single fluke season and the defense over-performed. His true leadership skills were exposed in that horrid Super Bowl loss to Baltimore -- a game in which Tiki Barber was rendered irrelevant. And amongst all the foolish things that spewed from Tiki's mouth, he claimed that he would have been a surefire Hall of Famer had his heart remained in it. Ironic, because he seemed to "lose his heart" when Tom Coughlin came to town, which was actually the moment he became a legitimate running back and stood an actual chance of being considered for football's greatest honor. Perhaps TiVi is forgetful, so I'll do him a favor and refresh his memory. Prior to 2004, Tiki Barber was better known for his fumbling problems than his leadership or on-field performances. In fact, the very media that he currently works with questioned him as he now questions Eli. I remember it like it was yesterday: "Barber fumbles again;" "Barber drops the ball;" "Giants need a quality running back to compete." And finally, who is Ronde Barber to say anything? In a sport where names are made based on victories, Manning is 1-0 against Mr. I wish I was as famous as Tiki.
eli made one very important point that everyone keeps ignoring - tiki never talks about any other team besides the ny giants. does he even have an opinion of them? if he was just on nbc to talk about the giants then he should be on the local affiliate and not on the nationally televised program. people also forget that this is new york and in this media circus hell we call home, the giants, yankees and knicks get all the attention -- and this is NOT a good thing. i think eli could be an amazing leader if he were playing in tennessee where people aren't as harsh. but it is ny and eli is a relatively shy person in terms of dealing with the media. he's also not as well versed as his brother and has the additional trouble of living in his brother's shadow. we all seem to forget that people begged coughlin to bench kurt warner and put eli in mid-way through the season even though he wasn't ready because people wanted to see what he could do (much like what brady quinn is dealing with in cleveland) and he was baptized in fire (so to speak). eli also plays with assholes -- shockey and burress who don't want to practice with him. so he's working with what he's given and thats not a heck of a lot. the giants need to ditch coughlin and bring in a new coach that is gonna get people in line or gonna trade them away from draft picks so they can build this team up with people that are going to look towards eli with respect and not the crap he gets now. as for tiki again, its all been said but in all seriousness the job of the media is not to be controversial. the job of the media is to report the news without editorializing it, and if they must editorialize it, then they need to be damned sure they're not being hypocrites in doing so. the giants won't succeed till the following people are gone: tom coughlin michael strahan the memory of tiki barber jeremy shockey plaxico burress sam madison (he's wasting their time with injuries) ok, i'm done venting.
I don't care how good the Barbers are as football players. They're both immature and unprofessional. stop ripping on your former teammates tiki, you POS. He's a disgrace to his profession. whether Eli is a leader or not is irrelevant in this case.
Didn't tiki make the comments during the game? Isn't that his job to question the quality of the team he was covering? Yesterday on the Afternoon Blitz it was suggested that Tiki intentionally made comments last year to take some heat off of Eli. It that was the case, that Eli is an ass. He whines about playing in SD, complains about the RB that propelled his team to mediocrity and has no balls or leadership ability.
