i agree with some of your points, but they do have descent talent in the trenches and a much more stout secondary. thats why i see us taking another beating. offensively, i see us doing ok, but still don't think it will be enough to over come them. penny has never played very well against them in their house when their d is playing just half descent.
I expected us to lose this week. I didn't expect Moss to carve us up like that, or the scoring to be so high. If you look at the appropriate poll, I predicted the Pats to cover the spread in a low-scoring game.
OK, what a load of crap. Pennington has never played against the Ravens in a regular season or playoff game.
I did look it up. 2000 - Vinny Testaverde started at QB 2001 - no game against Baltimore 2002 - no game against Baltimore 2003 - no game against Baltimore 2004 - Quincy Carter started at QB 2005 - Brooks Bollinger started at QB 2006 - no game against Baltimore
ok, good then. i'll go out on a limb and predict we get hammered if he plays. hows that? he never really plays well against teams with a good d and the ravens will be no different.
I think this addresses one of the points in the original post. Remember, Dilfer and the Ravens when they won the SB. Dilfer was not a good QB at all; not even at the Chad P level and they won the SB hands down because they had an all-world defense. I will say it - we absolutley can win a SB with Chad P as our QB! If he has the supporting cast (and I don't mean because he got steamed rolled due to our porous O line and looks like Jay Fiedler doing his best impression of C3PO) he needs, Chad P can take us all the way. The QB is just one cog in the mix of the entire team. A key cog, but not the be all and end all for the team. Largely, football games are won in the trenches. If you dominate on the O line and dominate on the D line you are very likely to win football games, irrespective of the QB.
I'm sure this has been said before, and will be said again. We didn't lose yesterday because of Chad. Chad had a pretty good day when he had a chance to make plays. The defense couldn't get off the field and the offensive line couldn't get a running game going. That's why we lost.
Originally Posted by winstonbiggs We lost this game primarily because of our D and special teams, not our O. You think Baltimore has the same O talent that NE does? You think their O is going to match up with our D like NE did yesterday? Did it every occur to you that Brady is a top 2 NFL QB and McNair who was excellent is currently washed up? Do you realize that Penny has never even faced the Ravens in his career? Pretty hard to play well against the Ravens when you haven't played them yet. Now he may go out and get picked two times this week (if he even suits up), but let's just wait till the game plays out.
I guess the Pats D that we saw yesterday doesn't classify as a good D then. Of course, since the he didn't launch up bombs against the Pats and the Jets D and special teams gave up 38 yesterday that didn't count.
Passes thrown to Laveranues Coles by Jets QB: Chad Pennington, 198 catches for 2,510 yards and 14 TD's. 12.68 per catch. Vinny Testaverde, 113 catches for 1,592 yards and 9 TD's. 14.09 per catch. Brooks Bollinger, 35 catches for 410 yards and 3 TD's. 11.71 per catch. Washington QB's (sorry not going to break down the losers who QB'd the skins while Coles was there): 172 catches for 2,154 yards and 7 TD's. 12.52 per catch. It's nice to think of Chad and Coles as the dynamic duo, however the evidence says that Chad is not much better than most other guys who have thrown to Coles over his career and definitely worse than Vinny.
Here's my take: 1. Pretty much agree here. Run blocking sucked, pass blocking was OK at times and piss poor at others. 2. Here I disagree. Other then one really bad pass, Chad seemed to throw the ball pretty well and was able to move the offense down the field at times (when we didn't try running of course). When he led us to the first TD I thought we might actually have a chance despite what I saw earlier in the game and when he came back in and led us to the second TD I was impressed with that drive. 3. & 4. Jones had no blocking which just goes to show that no matter who we have if the OL can't block they're not going to look too good. Washington once again showed he's a good player to have. 5. Agree except about the part of a different QB. Again, I think Chad did a very good job yesterday, especially considering the lack of a run game and poor blocking As for the D, they completely sucked yesterday. Saw very little positive though do agree that Revis looked pretty good. They couldn't stop the Pats no matter what and the only drive I remember the Pats punting was when Welker dropped the 3rd down pass. Now if this conspiracy about the Pats stealing signals has any truth that might explain why it seemed like we had no D on the field whatsoever at times. All in all it looked like we got outplayed in every facet of the game though the D seemed to outblow the O this week I'm sure we'll get better but that was one of the ugliest Jets game I've ever seen (at least in recent years) and even before the blowout started I had to say I was worried about our chances, though like I said when Chad led them to the first TD I thought we might have a shot I also have to say the seemingly cheering that Chad was knocked out of the game so Kellen had to play was quite disturbing as a Jets fan. I also didn't think Kellen looked very comfortable back there, then again, why should he when it was the Pats and they just knocked out Chad. I'm not judging him based on this short body of work but he didn't look too impressive and definitely thought Chad did a better job overall with the offense that game. Just my two cents
His average per rec is higher w/ Vinny but everythig else favors Chad. W/ Vinny his best season wa 868 yds in 2001 while w/ Chad hi best year was '02 in 13+ games wheree had 1218 yds. He' been ALOT better overall w/ Chad but even ifo think Chad on has a slight edge it stitl disproves the thery that Coles career has been hurt by Chad. Average per game for coles: w/ Vinny: 2 recs, 32 yds, .2 TDs W/ Chad: 6 recs, 77 yds, .42 TDs
That's highly deceptive because Coles was not a full time starter until halfway throught the 2001 season. If he's been a fulltime starter in 2000 and 2001 his numbers with Vinny would be much better than his numbers with Chad. Vinny threw 81 balls to him in two seasons as a part timer who wasn't even the 3rd receiver in 2000. The point is that Vinny actually allowed him to use his speed effectively and nobody since then including Chad has been able to do that.
Coles started 3 games as a rookie in 2000 and all 16 as a 2nd year player so then why aren't his 3 s goodw/ vinny as they have been w/ Chad? He was the 3rd WR in 2000 and became vinny's top target in 2001. In '02 in 3 games w/ vinny Coles caught 6 balls for 48 yards, in the fnal 13 w/ Chad he caught 83 balls, 1216 yds and 5 TDs.
