this cracks me up a bit....all these 4-3 players were all pro back when they played for henderson and cottrell....... outside of vilma - no other def player that played the 4-3 was all pro level and none came close - also abraham but he does not count obviously. unfortunately we really do NOT have the horses for the 4-3 outside of vilma. ellis and thomas are not effective enough as 4-3 ends. please do not tell me drob can be effective as the 3T DT. oh and who is going to play sam and will.....our LB are just ok on the outside but without a very good d line they are rendered ineffective at the point of attack. we need better talent period. they will stop bitching after that. jil
another comment here - it is easier to get your type of players for a 3-4 than a 4-3.......surprised huh..... it is true - the college pool of undersized DE's is full and provide the talent for all 4 LB spots in the 3-4. the college 4-3 DT's can translate into a good 3-4 end if they have the size and motor, amongst other variables. the real difficult spot is NT but you just have to get your guy at the right time period. jil
John Abraham actually could have made the move to OLB in the 3-4 and played quite well. He would have been a good fit in that system...when healthy, of course.
Good luck in trying to get Champ to go out on a limb and tell you what they should do or who he thinks they should try to get. He'll just say that they suck no matter what.
Abraham was a monster in the 3-4 in his rookie year... up until he got that sports hernia. I think that if he had remained healthy, he would have challenged Urlacher for DROY. Then again, you can sum up John Abraham's career with those 5 words: 'If he had remained healthy'
Unfortunately I Agree , I Dont know what happened to our Defense especially in the 4th Quarter its like they were trying to run in quick sand... They need to make some serious adjustments if where gonna do anything positive the rest of this season.
The problem with JAbe is his contract was coming due and he wanted to be paid as though he had never been absent due to injury. When the Tennessee Titans were faced with the same scenario with Jevon Kearse they let him go also and the decision proved to be the right one given that Kearse has never found his rookie and 2nd year form again. John Abraham has started in 11 games for Atlanta since leaving the Jets. They are 3-8 in those 11 games although he has 7 sacks.
None of our guys were all-pro but Vilma and Ellis were pro bowlers plus Robertson and Barton played at a pro bowl level in 2004. This D would be alot better if we scrapped the 3-4, we have most of the same players from our top 5 D in 2004 w/ a few upgrades so there's no doubt we would be better w/ a 4-3.
I love the homer articles on the offcial site. 258 through 3 isn't horrible but that was essentially through TWO qtrs as Miami only had the ball for 2 mins in the 3rd qtr.
3 years is a long time in the NFL, too long to cling onto a hope that our defense will magically get better by switching back to the 4-3, and honestly we are long overdue for improving the talent of the defense, the only thing worse than a defense that is lacking talent is a defense lacking talent having an identity crisis
I don't expect to switch back and magically become good I just know we hav too many players who are 4-3 players and we never should have switched in the first place and if we switch back we can't possibly be worse than we are now.
The problem is that our defensive talent is too weak. Even if we do switch back to the 4-3, our defense while maybe being a little better will still not be very good. We are better off staying the course and continue building what we got, since that is what our organization is set its goal on. Switching back to the 4-3 just confuses things while leaving us question marks of what to do in the future. And as for changing to the 3-4 in the 1st place, it does us no good having a defensive mindset that is foreign to what we are trying to do, and like I said before we weren't exactly setting the world on fire when we had the 4-3 defense here.
Yup..we drafted 4-3 players to play the 4-3. Manmoron has this thing about playing the 3-4 so we will do it and damn the results.
In 2004 we were a top 5 D and that D nearly got us intothe AFC Title Game. In '05 we had a million injuries, there was no need to switch to the 3-4 last year. Our best players are 4-3 players. I understoof the initia struggles last year adjusting to a new system and we got better as the season went on but we have regressed back to early '06- why? This is year 2 of this system, we should be better.
We don't have half of our defensive front from 04, Ellis seems to have fallen off a cliff since he signed his new contract and Barton is a shell of the player he was in 04. He has had numerous injuries and he hasn't gotten any younger. This isn't 04 anymore, the Jets are simply weak in talent on the DL and at Linebacker. We are putting makeup on pimples at this point changing the makeup isn't going to get rid of the lack of personal we have on the Defensive front. We have played a ton of 4/3 and 3/4 the D isn't stopping the run or getting pressure regardless of which lineup we are in.
what pisses me off is that mangini said the 400 plus yards didnt matter its how many points. Wtf! I would be ripping the defense up after a poor performance like that but I guess Mangini knows somehting we don't.
Yes, he does. He knows we actually won on Sunday, though around here, that's a fact that gets lost every time it happens.
