Yeah, and your reply was nonsensical. Take a few minutes, think about it, and respond with something useful.
Only responded what was POSTED in fact several time here on TGG so to bad if you missed them otherwise you would not look as silly as you do right now
Or asking a bear to not shit in the woods. I know. It's been awhile and I wanted to see if the vacation had led to someone who could actually support their rediculous banter.
I did not post those stats in fact several other poster did. To me if you feel that an average 5 yd gain per tackle is acceptable who am to argue with you about your standards. My standards are way higher which is why I say he was a failure in both systems
It's not my fault you do not understand how a 4-3 defense works. The only time a LB or SS would be in position to make a tackle for loss is on a run blitz. Also, you generalize his tackles as being 5 yards or more down field, which is a reach. He made plays left and right for us. DROY, remember? I realize you have an agenda against him, for god knows what reason, but please do not insult our intelligence.
Several other posters? Try it was one person who posted the stats and you keep quoting them. What you also fail to do is quote the entire stats which also showed that while JV wasn't the league leader in the avg, his stats were also VERY favorable to other ILB's. You don't ever point that out because it hurts your argument. Stop being an SLW. I sure hope we win again on Sunday so you can go on another "vacation" The fact is you wouldn't be happy if Dick Butkus and Urlacher were our ILB's.
The problem is Vilma had a very good rookie season but he isn't Dick Butkus or Urlacher. The guy is looked on as an untouchable as if he were an absolute game changing stud that put the fear of future health and life of the Offense in question. The guy is good but he doesn't scare anyone and part of the problem with our D besides the fact that we lack a lot of up front quality is our Defensive leader is a finesse player. Our D hasn't had a mean streak for years. The fact is the last Defensive player we had that really put a little fear into the O was Brian Cox and to a much lesser extent Barton in 04 when he was healthy and Henderson, our coach got in every ones face. Our D doesn't only lack talent it lacks mean and ornery. To even mention Vilma?s name with Butkus is a complete joke. Butkus used to spit up lugies the size of Vilma at running backs.
I'm not comparing him to Butkus at all. No one is in his class. I'm merely pointing out that some people wouldn't be happy regardless of who we put back there. And I agree about our defense needs to be more aggressive. I think that's the only thing I've ever agreed with champ on. The more I see it though, I think it's Sutton that is more likely the problem. I've never seen Sutton animated on the sideline. Everytime I see him on tv, he's usually just standing there with almost no emotion. The OC should be cool under pressure. The DC should be pissed off that they just got a 3 yard run against us for crying out loud. Give up a long pass? He should be ripping someone's head off.
Are you kidding me? The reason Vilma seen around here as something special is simple because we haven't had it. Klecko is a god in Jetsville and when you look at guys like Vilma, you know why. Marvin Jones when he was healthy was better at clogging the middle than Vilma.
Marvin Jones was just OK. He was a big body that could clog the middle, more like Harris, which I imagine is why we got Harris. Vilma has all the makings to be our Zach Thomas, a much better comparison. The most astute observation in this thread is that our D lacks a mean streak. I'll go so far as to say they look bored most of the time. One of the reasons I am high on Kenyon is that he jumps around like a lunatic when he stuffs a run. Rhodes is the same way, even though his stats are down this season. If 11 guys had the passion of those 2, our D would be sick. The blame for that is on Sutton, and I do not feel bad throwing him under the bus.
Zach Thomas who was much better than Vilma in his prime hasn't won anything and is in his 12th year in the league. Vilma is the leader of our D and he doesn't have a mean streak. That's part of the problem with our D. We need a stud who is the leader and is feared.
In the 3-4, yes. In the 4-3 they were just two totally different kinds of linebackers. Marvin Jones was always sudden and impactful when he made a tackle. He couldn't go sideline to sideline like Vilma though.
Maybe we need a new SS. In most 3-4 D's it's the SS or FS that is the leader and is feared. In a 3-4 Vilma becomes a role-player. He's making a ton of plays at the LOS, but he'll never duplicate his first couple years as far as tackles go in the 3-4. I do disagree that Thomas was ever much better than Vilma. Miami had one of best D's in the league for much of Zach's career. Sure, he had something to do with it, but he had a fantastic DL.
I totally agree that we need the mean and nasty. And you hit it on the head... Donnie Henderson was one to try and fire that up. But by far, the biggest single missing ingredient is a 350-lb NT who commands double coverage. I really think a lot would change with that. In fact, our DEF would look like a whole other team. This has to be Priority One next spring.
I agree with you about the Safety. Smith came on at the end of last year and was a much more rugged and tougher safety than Coleman. I think he was hurt in TC and it may have set him back a bit?
Yeah, he was hurt in camp. He has a ton of potential, but may be best served as a backup/ST guy. If we're serious about the 3-4, we need a SS good enough to compliment Rhodes, or better, and for sure we need a massive NT.
