add a pass rushing OLB to that list and then we have the makings of a 3-4 D, until then I find it silly to blame the D coordinator that doesn't have the pieces to make the D work. The NT will probably be the hardest to find, there wasn't anyone to fill that role this past offseason, hopefully next offseason.
I still think BT is that pass rushing OLB. However, as a DC you need to make the pieces you have work. You have 5 1st round picks in your front 7 and and future pro-bowlers at CB and FS. There is too much talent here not to have a working product.
Having talent isn't enough if the talent is unsuited to playing the scheme. As an example you could have an offensive line with 5 pro bowl caliber talents on it and if they were all true guards it would not be a very good line.
Exactly my point, to some extent. Robertson, Ellis, Vilma, Coleman, Thomas, Revis, Dyson (injured, 1st rounder?) - 1st round picks Harris, Hobson, Barton - 2nd round picks Rhodes, underperforming, but steal of his draft. If you're Sutton, how can you not make a functional unit out of those 11 guys? Who is ultimately responsible for the weak effort we've seen from this D?
You are SO nailing it, it can't be said any better. Assuming there should be enough talent in this group, and that's a pretty good assumption, then you've got to look elsewhere to see what the problem is. Coaching? Play-calling? Alignment (3-4, 4-3)? It falls on Sutton. And fixing that ultimately falls on Mangini. But if Sutton's hands are tied by Mangini's almost obsessive insistance on the 3-4 (using a 310-lb NT), the thing becomes a huge Catch 22. The Star-Ledger, as recently as this week, all but accuses Mangini of "trying to fit a square peg in a round hole." The paper also pointed out this morning that the average weight of our D-line is 296 lbs. They're going to look like high school kids against Buffalo's O-line this week, which averages something like 335 or so. Their smallest guy weighs as much as Robertson does, 310 lbs. If we don't control the LOS, all that above-mentioned talent to which you refer is not gonna stop the run on Sunday.
The Jet's defensive line is about 1997-caliber in terms of size for a 3-4. Ends used to be 280-290 lbs, now they tend towards 305. The NT used to be 315-325 lbs, but now trends towards 330-340. Kimo Von Ohlhoffen was a textbook 3-4 defensive end in 1997. Shaun Ellis was textbook for 2000. Kenyon Coleman was textbook for 2003. D-Rob has never been textbook for any position on a 3-4 defensive line, being too short to play end and not heavy enough for the nose. That's the problem in a nutshell. Moving Shaun Ellis to right end and replacing the other two guys is probably the best salvage route at this point.
yeah, i've been saying this for the past week. Coleman has been useless for the past two seasons. it's a shame we can't spend an early pick on a SS because we have to devote the picks to beefing the lines and adding a pass-rusher.
I think Coleman is a fine DE for the 3-4 as well. Robertson ultimately remains the problem, and should be traded if we're going to stick to the 3-4, even though I think he's played well this year.
If Kenyon Coleman had the talent to start as a defensive end in the 3-4 he would have done it for Parcells in Dallas. Parcells has NEVER failed to put a good down lineman in the game if he warranted it. Throw in the fact that Coleman was a good citizen in Dallas, which also gets brownie points from Parcells, and there's virtually no question that he's not a starting 3-4 defensive end. A piece in the rotation? Well, that's how Parcells viewed him.
Parcells is also known for going with proven vets as starters. Coleman was brought in to back up 2 above average vets and be a part of the rotation. Had there been an injury or serious drop off in talent, Coleman would have been a starter. The guy is 6'5 and close to 300 pounds, and when you look at him, it's 300 pounds of muscle. He's second in tackles on the team, and when he's in, our run D is better. He's a perfect fit for the 3-4 D, and we had a NT that demended consistant double teams, Coleman would be even better.
Watch where the opponents are running. Download the torrent of the Ravens game and watch it play by play. They're picking on Coleman like a new scab, running off left tackle consistently. They're not doing this because they think Shaun Ellis is a star end in the 3-4. They're doing this because they know Coleman is a backup in starter's clothing.
Since you seem to be such a FB maven that you supported Herm & defended him to me indicates a person whose FB knowledge is zero. Now if you are soooooooooooooooooo smart why not tell us what year you think we will have a true NEP type SB contending team. Will it be this season or the 08 season or the 09 season the or the 2010 season or even beyond that?
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