Chad sunshiners are unbelievable?Chad is terrible. His bullshit, chicken shit, four yard football and not to mention two picks from a mensa member cost us the game. I counted at least five times throughout that game (only counting completions) where a receiver ran a route and then had to STOP to wait for that homo ball to fall back from the sky. Upon catching they were instantly tackled. Get real people?that dude throws a ball the way I throw a ball to my seven year old daughter.
dude, i think we are the only sane ones on this board. I swear if Chad starts next week I'm not watching. I just don't understand why Denver, a playoff contender could make the switch to Cutler, Arizona to Lienart, and other teams have mad e the QB change.
The Bills had the 32nd ranked pass and 32nd ranked run defense going into today's game. They then proceed to bring 9 or 10 into the box and managed to stop both the run and the pass at once. When that situation happens, no matter how great your RB is, you need to beat the other team with the pass. Damon fucking Huard beat the Chargers defense, which is considerably better than the Bills, through the air, because the Chargers tried the same exact thing and managed to shut down LJ. The only reason Pennington gets this type of defense is because Jets fans are apparently the dumbest and most homerific fans in the entire league. Drew Bledsoe, Jake Plummer and Rex Grossman were all being killed by their respective fanbases before being replaced. Each of those guys put up better numbers and got their teams further than Chad has. Yet somehow, even questioning Chad brings an avalanche of criticism among Jets fans. I do not understand how Jake Plummer loses his starting job before Pennington does.
I would like to use this opportunity to point out to MandalayVA, who asked me to show him an example of times Chad doesn't consistently play with intensity or focus, to re-watch today's game. BradwaySux is right, when Chad is angry he will take shots downfield. Today he played scared of a 3rd-rate defense and it was completely obvious. You can't turn a blind eye to that unless you don't know what you're seeing.
Penningtonologists are unreal.....he is NOT GOOD anymore. Time to move on in the best interests of the Jets TEAM. Are you a Jets fan or a Pennington fan?
hes not good anymore, what the hell are you basing that on. He just led us to the freaking playoffs last year. You think benching Pennington is gonna make things better your dreaming. Our defense is our number 1 problem, not Pennington
Everyone is in love with Clemens cuz he had a few good preseason games and a good 4th qt vs the ravens.
Nope, not even ****ing close to what I was saying, nice try though. He played a bad game because he made 2 bad throws that cost us the game. Never argued that, never said it was ok. But one was a terrible decision and one was a ball that slipped out of his hand. Both uncharacteristic of Chad imo. I did not see anything today that showed me that Chad can't get us where we want to be. If I thought he was going to make 2 mistakes like that all the time, it would be different.
The difference is Chad is a very likable guy. He says the most PC things in press conferences, and carries the team first attitude you love to see from your players. Guys like Plummer and Grossman come off as cocky and arrogant so it's easy to turn on them. Chad's good guy routine buys him a bit more wiggle room with the fanbase. If he came off as dopey and careless as Grossman or even Eli Manning, no doubt he wouldn't have as many supporters as he does right now. Even in the media, people think it's crazy that some Jets fans want to see Clemens. It's not like Chad is a top-flight QB. He is barely in the top half of QBs in the league, an average player. But he is the quintessential team player, so he gets more second chances.
This whole argument is a waste of time cuz there isnt a chance in hell Pennington is getting benched right now.
Did you happen to look at the other 37 throws in the game? Let me break it down for you.... 39 passes... 2 INTs 5 Incomplete 5 For 10+ yards 27 dump offs of less than 10 yards (including the 1 TD) And inside the 2 minute drill late in the game... ONE pass where the receiver was able to get out of bounds.... Two passes further than 6 yards.... That is a TERRIBLE performance
Yeah tell me about it... I've posted these and similar stats in a hundred threads, this week, and last week, and I get very little response from anyone but the few people who agree with me.... Denial is in no short supply here
People cheered when Chad got hurt so he would be replaced. So to say he gets a free pass is wrong. More like Chad is far and away a better player right now than Grossman is, and Bledsoe was at the time. And he is not having nearly as bad a year as Plummer was.
no, that wasn't what I was saying. the point is there are games where, despite what happens in the game prior to that, a single play or two actually directly influence the very outcome of the game. Chad's interception today. Scott Norwoods wide right, etc etc. by your argument, Scott Norwood did not lose Super Bowl 25 by missing a makable FG since he didn't give up 20 points, thus it was the Bills defense that lost that super bowl. sorry, but that is what you are saying, and that is the bologna you crave. no game ever played has been perfect. every team in every game makes mistakes that influence the game. but plays at the end of a game directly lead to the outcome far more than a plays in the first quarter. a fumble on the first play of a game isn't what loses a team a game if they miss a 10 yard FG at the end that would have won it. if you think the two are the same than I suppose I am wasting my time. that is what I am saying.
Because those stats don't mean all that much. 7.43 yards per attempt which is average, not terrible like you suggested. I would have liked to see more points, some of that's on Chad, some of the receivers, a lot of that's on the lack of a running game, which I give some of the blame to the coaches for, and some big penalties that stalled drives.
I was a believer in Chad in the past, but its becoming obvious he's not right for this team. He's got a good win-loss record, but I can honestly only think of a few games in Pennington's career where afterwards I said - Chad won that game for us. Seriously though, most of his wins have been against teams that the Jets had more talent then and/or the games were won on the running game, special teams and defense; Pennington just held it together. - and he did a good job with that. But its the quarterbacks that freakin win games on their own (not completely literally, but pretty damn close) that win superbowls. Either we are gonna have to build the 2000 Ravens, 85 Bears or the Steelers of the 70s to win a superbowl with Pennington. I takes years and years and a lot of luck to build teams like those. Pennington is 30 years old and coming off 2 rotator cuff injuries - likely shortening his career. Lets stop wasting our time with him if we know he's never going to lead us to the bowl!!! Now im not saying Kellen Clemens is the savior or anything like that. He might be a piece of crap for all I know, but I sure would like to find out instead of wasting years with Pennington. Bottom line- If you enjoy taking advantage of weaker opponents and making the playoffs once in a while with an early bow out - Chad's your guy. Me, I don't enjoy wasting years away - I'm a risk taker. Play the Kid!
The number is exaggerated because he completed such a high %... Let's contrast it with some other good, but not great QBs who played today, against better D's, with lesser options.... Favre completed 32 passes (same as Chad), with 12 of them over 10 yards (2.5x as many as Chad).. Subsequently, he WON THAT GAME FOR GB... 3rd Round Rookie Trent Edwards, completed 22 passes (10 fewer than Chad), with 9 of them over 10 yards (almost 2x as many as Chad).... His running game did no produce much, but he won the game.... Joey Freakin Harrington completed 23 passes... 7 of them further than 10 yards.... Damon Freakin Huard completed 17 passes... 13 of them further than 10 yards... Won the game.... These guys are not great QBs, but these performances are what you see out of QBs who win games and produce points... In fact, looking through the games, I did not find ONE starting QB who had a lower % of their completions go for over 10 yards who also won the game (I didn't check the losing QBs)..... So their YPA may be close, but the fact of the matter is that the numbers are skewed because Chad will throw a 2 yard pass, and these guys will take a shot downfield and get an incompletion, which hurts their YPA a little bit.... If you look at their yards per COMPLETION, you'll see Chad's numbers are inferior....
