the jets can't open up the offense with a qb who can't throw an nfl-quality pass over 7 yards. the answer to your last question is that shanny knows how to run an offense and mangenius hasn't shown he knows how to run our defense, much less the offense.:sad:
He wasn't the only reason for the loss but he was the main reason. 2 Ints in the last quarter off nearly the same route. That's awful and honestly what the hell was thomas jones brought in if we wont use him at all. The offense is terrible, defense is terrible, special teams is terrible. Coaching is terrible. one more thing. Have brad smith throw the damn ball already instead of running gay screens and direct snaps
Since I'm a newbie and can't start threads, I'll say what I have to say here: Can we please start calling out T. Jones!!!!!!!!! What the motherf*cking motherf*ck? I understand a player can have a bad game. Hell, I can even understand a player having a bad season. What I can't understand is a running back who's supposed to be a power runner, whose game is smashmouth, vertical football, looking like he's auditioning to be the nexy Emmitt Smith on Dancing With The Stars? Seriously! Instead of taking the ball at full speed, lowering his head and taking it upfield, he slows down 2 yards behind the line of scrimmage and looks to make cuts. We may as well bench him and play Washington if that's his game!
and what's partially responsible for that lack of running game? the fact that teams don't fear Chad's passing attack and will play it straight up and focus their attention on stopping the run. they challenge the Jets to beat them through the air.
Not true. The job was Chad's to lose, not Clemens' to win. Had Chad sucked against New England, and Kellen put together 4 complete quarters against Baltimore, the job would have been his. Chad didn't do anything to lose the job. After today, you have more of an argument, but I still say it's his job at this point. Just as I've been saying the whole time, unless a surprising trade offer (Griese was terrible today) comes along, and unless he has a complete and total meltdown, Chad will play out the season. Did we see the start of a meltdown today? Who knows. He's had enough games like this that it wouldn't surprise me to see him bounce back with a great performance next week.
Here's the bottom line with the game today. Chad was NOT the main reason we lost. There was no main reason we lost. We lost because of a poor pass rush, poor run blocking, a missed FG, AND poor QB play. Here's why Chad has rightfully become the focus. We know we have no pass rush. It's a problem that we've accepted we have to fix later. We know we have poor run blocking. It's a problem that we've accepted we have to fix soon. We know that kickers miss FG when the flags are whipping around. He overcompensated a bit much and hit the post. That's not a kick he's had to make this season after the clear boost in his leg strength in the offseason. He makes that last year in the same weather conditions. He won't miss it again. With Chad, it's a problem. With Chad, we have come to expect the dinks and dunks. We've come to expect the limited playcalling. However, we've also come to expect that he won't do anything to lose the game for us. That's NOT usually his weakness, but today it was. Today, he failed in his greatest strength. He made poor decisions. That first INT may have been the worst ball I've seen him throw. He let his sense of timing completely override his eyes and threw a ball that had no chance of dropping incomplete, let alone reaching the receiver. It was picked off the second it left his hand. He had no business throwing the second ball, either. Chad relied way too much on pure patterns today. Every one of his throws, except for the checkdown 5 yard drops in the flat, was pure timing. He threw to spots and counted on his receivers to hit them. Several times, he ignored the coverage and played like he was running practice, not a game situation. He did not make smart decisions, even on the balls he completed. He did not make good throws, even on the balls he completed. The ball looked poor coming out of his hand, rose due to his incomplete rotation, and laid his receivers out. In short, Chad doesn't deserve blame because of his inherent arm strength today. Chad deserves blame because he played like a dumbass. It was one reason why we lost, but it's the most important one because it's an area in which we expected him to excel.
I understand what you are saying. I guess this is a senseless argument because we both agree we'd be better off with Clemens at this point. I think what I've been trying to convey is that Clemens alone won't save this team. Clemens may make that throw at the end that Chad didn't, but then again if other problems are addressed on the team then maybe Chad wouldn't have to be in a position to make that throw.
I think Chad is great, and I think that Chad does not deserve the entire blame for today's loss. Nugent and our small and out of place D helped in that department. However, our team is 1-3, and we just lost to an 0-3 team. Something drastic needs to change to get this team to wake the you know what up. Chad needs to sit, and the team - primarily the defense - should understand that it is their fault. Sticking Clemens in is the best way to knock this team over the head.
absolutely, Clemmens may not fair any better. but at this point, I am fairly confident that if we are trailing at the end of the game, the liklihood of Chad engineering a last minute drive to win is not in the Jets favor. maybe Clemmens doesn't read coverage very well yet and makes bad decisions. who knows. but he has the arm strength to make tight throws and drive the Jets downfield quickly if he gets the experience that allows him to learn how to read coverages. Chad, on th eother hand, can't learn to throw the ball any harder.
a missed second quarter FG doesn't lose a game when you have the ball down by three with enough time to get another shot and can't get it done. and the D only gave up 17 points, and got us back the ball with what is reasonably enough time to get in FG range, so what did they do wrong at the end? had they not gotten that 3rd down stop, you can blame the D, but they did their job when they needed to. yes, the D didn't play great, but we had a chance to tie at the end and the offense didn't get it done.
I know what I said, and I don't take back anything, but I gotta say that I agree with you. When you have the game on the line in the end -- which is the case in many games -- you gotta come through. Chad didn't, and he's gotta (and we've gotta) live with that. And if he's benched, he can't say anything against it.
They are complete morons, they need a scapegoat and it's Chad and his arm that are taking the hits now. it used to be Herm but he's passed it down to Chad. These whiners always need someone to blame and amazingly it's not the coaching staff which they would have blamed if we had the staff of 2 years ago even though this staff currently is doing a worse job than the previous staff ever did.
Again, anyone who has a clue about football knows QB is not the problem but you whiners need a scapegoat. Herm is gone(and by the way 2-2 w/ a team half as talented as the one we have) so you guys need someone else to blame. How come Mangini is clean? You know if Herm was still here you guys would be blaming him so why is Manini clean? Chad is playing well, he playe well yesterdayand he's a top QB as long s he's healthy. QB is way down on the list of problems w/ this team.
I never gave much credence to the parrell universe theory but obviously we were watching different games. I thought I saw Chad turn the ball over on our side of the field in a tight game that lead directly to a Buffalo score and I thought we scored 14 against the worst D in football that was also totally banged up. I thougt Chad had all day to throw and checked down and dumped passes all day. I also thought I saw two delay of game penalties for no reason and an attempt to draw the Bills off sides without walking up to the LOS?
All 4 1st half drives were killed by mistakes from players other than Chad. The first drive we called a silly reverse to cotchery, the 2nd a false start, the 3rd a clp and the 4th a missed FG. The first INT was mostly on Chad though he and Coles got mixed up so who knows who is really to blame and the 2nd INT Chad was hit as he threw it b/c Buf's 3 man rush was killing our OL on that final drive. He didn't execute the 2 min O very well on the last drive he took too much time and he deserves blame for that BUT he played more than well enough for us to win, it was other players committing big mistakes that cost us that game. The game shouldn't have been close in the 4th qtr and at worst it should have been tied if our K makes basically a chip shot. The delay penalty was called frm the bench. He was under C w/ about 14 secs on the play clock, the next time he wasted a TO. They weren't trying to draw Buf offsides, they hurried to the line hoping they'd get the look they wanted but they didn't so they had Chad take the delay and they punted.
I remeber you blaming Clemens for holding the ball to long against Baltimore? I think we saw yesterday Chad with lots of time not waiting for guys to come open but instead checking down over and over again. We should have scored 30 yesterday but Chad was absolutely gutless. Unlike the other players in the case of the QB we have a young less limited player who cost us a lot less money on the team. I'm sure if that was the case at NT, OLB, ILB, LG, RG, RT there isn't a person on this board who wouldn't want the switch made right now. The team needs a complete over haul, we have a less expensive, less limited QB on the roster right now. Chad doesn't have an arm that either he or the OC has any confidence in. He is a brilliant guy and understands his limitations. It's time to see if we can open things up for our most talented players with a less limited QB.
I agree with you about Mangini, but you're crazy if you think Chad is a top QB. He is an average, middle of the pack QB at best. It's okay to admit that and still consider yourself a fan of him. You don't have to hold him up as a God. A top QB would have shredded the Bills yesterday, who have arguably the worst defense in the league this year. Yes, even worse than ours if you can imagine. Instead, what we got was a couple dozen check down passes, which kept the Bills D tight, and resulted in them smothering any attempt at a running game. Chad sunk the offense with his timid play. Then, as soon as he started trying to go downfield (and by "downfield" I mean 8-10 yards through the air) he threw picks. Yet he walks away blameless? Chad's performance yesterday was no better than Clemens' against Baltimore when you factor in Chad's experience and how depleted that Bills D is.
Giants sacked McNabb 12 times, we will be better off putting Smith in there and letting him run for his life...
i actually thought CP had an OK game which would have been a very good game without the INTs. trouble is there may have been only 1 or even 2 passes that i said to myself wow i don't think KC makes that pass. thats not many folks and the time for the inevitable switch is coming. i think the masses are getting tired of wathcing the dink and dunk passing game the jets have to offer. other teams are just not threatened at all by it. the token 15 yard outs, go routes, etc are occasionally successful but they still do not cause any defense to retreat. the jets have not been consistent with a downfield game since vinny was here in 98. with the complex defenses, speed, and overall technology driven scouting it is imperative that your passing game has minimal limitations. jil
