This is a jets propoganda fluff piece. Nothing more, nothing less, it's not really even worth discussing...
Can someone start the "He Just Had A Bad Game" and "All He Does Is Win" and the "This team is 12 - 35 without Chad" threads already. New England could tie bricks to the nut bags of all of their starters and run around the field dragging them and still beat us 38 ? 7 but we should rebuild the team around Chad friggin Pennington?
Definitely fair enough. Like I said, I refuse to judge Clemens one way or another yet. He's only had the one game, against what is likely one of the top defenses in the league, as a body of work to judge from. And he even almost beat them. I'm not for or against Clemens yet. What I am is for giving him the chance to prove himself one way or the other. He deserves the rest of the year to prove whether he's got what it takes, or if we need to address the future of QB for us in the draft.
The team won't win many more games with Clemens as QB. This team is flawed in every possible area and just replacing the QB won't fix those flaws. What it might do is give us a chance to come back when we need to get the ball down field in a hurry. Chad can't do that and he proved it on Sunday.
^^ Don – I tend to agree but one never knows. Look at it this way – I think that the offense can undoubtedly improve – it cant get much worse, and having a legitimate deep thread and a quarterback with the ability to throw to the sidelines and even get the ball to the receivers HANDS in a reasonable amount of time (although I believe this will be a big adjustment for the receivers) and things can open up. That could improve the running game as we will see less of the eight in the box lineups we’ve grown accustom to. Add in the dumb rookie throws, game management mistakes and whatever and the fire of the team in general will dictate their cost…cant get much worse than a two minute drill that manages to move you 30 yards in 2 minutes and ends in a pick. Defense – I have noticed for years; even in the Herm days that our defense is night and day with a lead or reasonable offensive productivity so who know what we really have.
That depends on getting fed the ball, from the player in question to earn his livelyhood. I don't think any of the Jets players would throw Chad under the Bus.....
I absolutely agree with you the Bills were not stacking the box. What drove me nuts was Chad kept taking the short check down which was there when he was under absolutely no pressure to get rid of the ball over and over again. There is no way that Cotch and Coles were not getting seperation down field but again without an outright timing pattern Chad's ball down field can be closed on by a decent CB or safety and that's why we don't get those type of plays when a QB has time a WR flashes open down field and the QB has the arm and release to make the throw. David Carr last year completed 68.3% of his passes and had an almost identical QB rating as Chad. There O is so much more wide open now and there averaging about 1 TD more per game on O so far.
Come on Warner only had 41 and 36 TD's when he was the league MVP. Chad was every bit as good as Warner was.
I think what he meant was that the corners were playing off, not jamming the WRs at the line...Which makes sense... Why bother bumping the WRs off their routes, when only one out of every 6 completed passes is going to be for a substantial gain?
Coles, as close as he is with Chad, had no problem taking a shot at him after Clemens played vs Baltimore... Asked what he liked most about Kellen at QB (and I'm paraphrasing): 'I don't have to yell at Kellen when I come back to the huddle.... He knows where I am.. I'm not taking shots'
Realistically, unless you have a receiving corps of TO's and Mosses (the NE one) you would never expect the receivers to come out and put down the ability of the QB; it almost never happens.
This is the point that seems to be ignored, and it is just mystifying to me. Let's say you think Chad had a great game. Let's say you think that the Jets defense was terrible. How does that change that against a bad team that had a bunch of injuries on defense the team scored only 14 points? How can that be viewed as an NFL-caliber offense? I see nothing that Chad did on Sunday that is a great argument for him keeping his job - against a bad team he could only put up 14 points. What else is a QB supposed to do but score points? When you then add that it does appear that the defense and special teams are lousy, any argument for starting Chad disappears. The team is going nowhere this year - it's time to find out if Clemens is any good, since if he isn't he needs to be replaced ASAP.
This is no different than the Bears longtime affection for Grossman in the media despite his struggles. Football teams would rather sacrifice themselves to the media than bash their starting QB b/c it just causes too much controversy. This is no different. I'm sure privately Cotchery enjoys Chad's accuracy but wishes he could throw further than 10 yards a chunk.
Boy oh boy..even cotch is drinking the cool aid. Wait a minute...when our db's play back, other teams receivers catch balls with nobody around them. When other teams db's play back...our receivers are still getting their ass kicked when they catch the ball. Perhaps they are playing so far back because they have a few minutes to respond to that four yard pass that takes two minutes and twenty two seconds to get there. Let me tell you something, its worse then I thought. Another words when you have the weakest armed qb of all time...now you can stack the line or play back.
It all starts up front, no one can doubt in years past we have had success with CP at QB, limitations and all, dink and dunk, etc. The offensive line is just not getting it done, run or pass blocking. They show flashes but its not consistent. Could the Pete Kendall thing hurt that bad? Last year at least the pass protection was good and we were able to move the ball, this year nothing on the o-line is working consistently. CS/FO should have really made some moves to improve the line on both sides of the ball.
whatever anyone can play good if theyre surrounded with talent. they blew it on pete kendall i agree but this is one excuse im damn tired of. the o line has nothing to do with the fact chads making worse reads as time goes on and throwing passes he shouldnt, getting our recievers mauled for only gains over 10 yards and under.
