Easy to catch but hard to remember for the receiver who gets his lights shut off by the concussive hit after a floater lands in his hands. Sorry, I'll take the harder to catch ball that does not leave the receiver stretched out in front of the strong safety.
The ball being thrown too hard is no excuse for an NFL receiver to not make the catch. Chad's weak ass arm is not an advantage in any way, shape or form. When the ball is thrown softly it's also much easier for d-back to break on it and either pick it off or breakup the pass. Just because the ball is thrown hard doesn't mean it has to be off target.
seafood. what is up with you? too hard? its a wonder that favre and elway have superbowl rings....ouchy, he throws too hard
It is only a Matter of time before Cotchery gets hurt bad because a Lb had 7 yards to build up a head of steam waiting for one of Chad's passes to come down. His passes look like they are in suspended animation!
Elway played 15 years and didn't get a ring until Denver got TD and started to run the ball. Favre is great in flashes but also erratic and he has one ring in 16 years. But leave it to you guys to not grasp a very simple point because you are blinded by hatred of your own QB. Read the article again, don't listen to me. Read the quotes from a guy who, you know, is on the team and actually catches the ball thrown by our QBs.
This entire thread was started by the kind of Jet fan who prefers statistics over success. Again, Chad can throw a million consecutive completions, lead the world in QB rating - etc. but - how many touchdowns does that result in? That my friends (and foes) is the question? Is Bret Favre a great quarterback? Of course he is...he is willing to take the risks to get the reward - and has become the all-time leader in touchdown passes. Who would you rather lead your team - the guys with the best completion percentage, or the guy who throws the most touchdown passes?
Elway and Favre were dominant QB's for years before they got their rings. Pennington is not in their ballpark. We don't hate Pennington, we hate his inability to do what most NFL QB's can do. Why would we hate him? You always say this, but really it seems like your man-love for him is blinding reality. You are trying to convince us that throwing the ball too hard is a disadvantage - step back and think about that for a minute. I mean really think about what you're saying. What do you want Cotchery to say? "I wish Pennington could get the ball to me quicker, he just doesn't have the arm strength." Of course he's going to say nothing but good things about him, he's not stupid.
Elway took his team to 5 SB the first three he carried a pretty mediocre team on his back. He had allready been to 2 SB at this point in Chad's career and with teams and talent not as good as our 02 and 04 team. Favre also won a SB in year 5 and went back to the SB in year 6. The fact is Favre isn't half the QB he is now as he was in his prime. Chad's prime was unfortunately mared by two shoulder surgeries. He allready is past the best he will ever be. He also had his chance with an excellent D and a top caliber running back like Elway did and he didn't get to the game. What makes anyone think after 2 shoulder surgeries a less than stellar arm and his prime and best days clearly in the tail lights that Chad will be able to do more than Elway or Favre were? Elway at the end was far more fit than Chad is today.
Wait, so they couldn't get to "the next level" until they had good teams around them? Elway for 15 years? Hmmmm. Double standard there? I'm raising a valid point that plays itself out on the field. In theory, an NFL receiver should catch what his thrown to him, yes, but watch the games and see what happens. And you're twisting around what I said--I said throwing too hard can be a disadvantage, but more importantly, a touch passer is a great advantage. Look at the TDs to LC in the corner, the one to Baker last week. You have to throw those perfectly, that's the difference between 7 points and 3 or 0 points. He would likely say nothing if that were the case. Coles has always spoken his mind, even about Mangini, do you hear him complaining?
this just in.....Jorge posada refuses to catch Joba Chamberlain anymore!!!!!!! catcher was quoted in the clubhouse...." I tell you mang..dis guy...how ju say...Joba...throws too hard mang"
You were the same people citing passing stats last week when we beat Miami, saying Chad only threw for 140 yards and Green did better because he threw for over 300. Selective memory there. The idea when you throw a pass is to complete it, so I would say it's a positive to be able to complete a high percentage. Otherwise it's no gain, simple football. Favre also hasn't missed a game for 16 years, that's one way to get the most anything.
This is a different argument all together but I'll add my 2 cents. First, Pennington has had very good teams around him and failed to make it to the big game. Second, those QB's took lesser teams than CP had further. Third, if you want to group Pennington with Elway and Favre, it's obvious that you don't understand what a great NFL QB looks like. Please don't be ridiculous. Fair enough, a touch pass can be a great advantage. I agree. A strong arm and gunning the ball into tight spots can also be a great advantage. Unfortunately Pennington cannot do that. We need someone with all the tools. No good team mate is going to throw another team mate under the bus to the media. Coles bitches about working too hard, and it seems to be half tongue in cheek. I have never heard him throw a team mate under the bus. I've said good things about team mates when asked about them even though I didn't like their abilities as a player. You just don't throw your team mates under the bus.
Um, look who was going to the Super Bowl those years when Favre and Elway were playing. Guys like Aikman and Young and Montana and Kelly and Marino (oh wait, nevermind). Some of the greatest QBs of all time all played during this time period.
I'm not the one who introduced Elway and Favre into the conversation. But tell me who was the New England in their divisions when they were advancing in the playoffs? They had home games with tremendous home field advantages, both of them, while Chad has played four of his five playoff games on the road because we have a dynasty in our division that gets the bye and the home game. Even when Dallas and SF were great, Green Bay was in a different division and not relegated to the Wild Card. The year Green Bay won the Super Bowl they won the NFC Championship game at home vs expansion Carolina. Agreed, but did someone have a gun to Cotchery's head? He didn't have to say anything at all. But a first hand account that contradicts most of you guys' argument of course has to be discounted somehow. Otherwise how could you all continue to blame everything on Chad for another week?
from the same article on the running game. Thomas Jones "They did a lot of different things with their defense," said Jones, who is averaging 3.4 yards per carry. "We had to make some adjustments. They were bringing a lot of their guys as far as penetrating gaps. They had a lot of guys, safeties and corners, down and that made it difficult to run." wonder why they had so many in the box. hmmmmm.......
Fair point, but I'll still disagree to the death that Pennington belongs in the same breath as those 2 QB's. You're making things up. NO ONE is blaming everything on Chad, but keep saying "we hate him and blame everything on him", it sounds good.
Thank you. He's right, but I don't see how that's an indictment of Chad specifically. How about Thomas Jones losing 4 yards on 3rd and inches? How about Nugent missing a FG after the fake spike and a 20 yard (or so) completion got us in range at the end of the half? How about Brad Smith cutting inside instead of out of bounds down 10 with 5:00 left? Yes, throw in Chad's two picks and I'd say Baker's comments apply to the whole offense.
