There is no doubt in anyone's mind, Chad supporters or not, that he is struggling. Who's fault is it? Not one person, or one thing. The entire Jets team is in some weird ass funk. Thats the thing about football that so many people, especially on here seem to forget, it's the ultimate team sport. Whether it's special teams, defense or offense they all affect each other. When one unit screws up, one of the others pays the price or is put in a very difficult position. The Jets just have to improve all around, but yes a little extra blame goes CP's way because his decision making, usually his strength, has been awful and probably cost us 2 games.
The whole thing with Chad is that he is/was one of the best at NOT turning the ball over. He is/was one of the smartest QB's in the league. Suddenly, he's turning the ball over at CRUCIAL Times in the game. The Interception against the Bills at the end of the game and the Pick by the Giants at the goal line were basically the exact same play with the exact same mistake made. Now I've always been concerned at how our receivers have to stop and wait for the ball to arrive (how often have YOU seen one caught in stride? I know that I can't remember the last time it happened) but that was mostly concern for THEIR (the Receivers) health. Now I have to worry that a D-Back has an extra second to recover and make a play on the ball? Now I've always liked Chad BUT I'm starting to have MAJOR concerns as to whether or not he can effectively get the job done. To be honest, he has two more games to prove otherwise because if we lose the next two going into the by week, KC will be our starting QB.
Chad is not the better QB anymore. In fact, he is terrible and driving this team into the ground. Lucky for you, Mangini wants to continue sliding steadily downward with Chad. Holy delusional fans, Batman!
Chad could throw the ball down field when Curtis was still playing. He cant anymore. How is this hard to understand.
nobody is saying that chad was never good. He had a pretty decent year that year. Here's the thing, we had an incredible o-line back then. Now, our o-line is not as good and chad has lost it. Back then he would make good decisions with the ball and be an incredibly accurate quarterback. But now, he is neither of those things. Not by a long shot. His arm is officially shot and he is pressing and heaving up prayers. It's time for him to go
Obviously if we could run the ball we would have less problems on offense. We can't so what's the point?
ooh, I want to play "let's make a specious argument" too! in 1995, the Jets were also 1-4 through five games, and since we are 1-4 this year as well, either it wasn't Rich Kotite's coaching that was the reason we were horrible that year, or it is Rich Kotite's fault again that we are horrible this year. this is fun!
First of all, your statement is of course nonsense - there are threads about other parts of the team, and while there are more Chad threads, it is not anything like the ratio you claim. Now, why should it be that there are more Chad threads? Maybe Chad gets more attention because he's the QB? You know, the guy who plays the position that probably has more effect by itself on any team sport than anyone other than a pitcher in baseball? And he's a QB who is clearly on the decline, playing for a team that is clearly going nowhere this year? And who has a guy drafted as his replacement sitting behind him? Maybe it's because some of those Chad threads are actually ones like this one, which support him and claim that people who want Chad benched either think that Clemens will suddenly win games (which most people don't think) or that it's all Chad's fault (which no one with a brain thinks) or (as another thread claims) simply "know nothing about football" because they dare to feel that way? What exactly is it in my post that you are challenging? My only statement was that virtually no one has seriously claimed that everything is all Chad's fault, and that if it wasn't for him the Jets would challenging the Pats to win the division this year. Do you disagree? Can you point to posts that say that? And no, posts like "Chad sucks - we should bench him!" don't count, any more than posts that say "Barrett sucks - we should bench him!" imply that all of the team's problems are Barrett's fault. And posts that claim that if not for him the Jets would have won two more games don't really count either, since the games have been close enough that the same could be (and has been) said for poor defensive play, and it's actually an easily defensible position from a purely objective point of view given the way the Buffalo and Giant games went. Maybe it's time to stop criticizing fans who dare to think that it's time to move in another direction, and post threads that say that, rather than say how pathetic it is that fans don't show enough loyalty to particular players? I'm a fan of the Jets, and I want what is best for them, and the $9 million that Chad gets to play means that he can be okay with that.
The ratio is alot closer to the 95% than it is where it should be. you are calling the majority of the board brainless b/c most think we'll be much better w/o Chad and yes folsk who think it's all on Chad or even mostly on Chad know nothing about football. Thank you for agreeing w/ me. We can agree ,ost on here blame Chad more than any other player or coach? 2 years ago all the negative threads would ahve been about Herm and not the QB, Chad is just the new whipping boy and it sickens me the way people have turned on him. I understand wanting to see KC and wanting to see Chad take a seat but the way he's been attacked is another embarrassment for jet fans after all he has done for this team. Maybe if you read my posts you'd get a better feel instead of assuming what I think. I startd a thread this week that it's about time for a change. My problm is not w/ people who think Chad should take a seat it's the way Chad gets most of the blame and the way Chad is attacked. I know and Chad also forced Dyson to miss that tackle last week too.
And I say that it's nowhere near 95%, especially if you count the threads that actually support Chad against the ones that attack him. Since you're the one who made the claim, why don't you try actually backing it up with facts? See my comment above about baseless claims. I say that virtually no one has said that it's all Chad's fault. Since you're the one who made the claim that there are plenty of people who have said that, why don't you try actually backing it up with facts? Oh wait a second, in the post quoted below you actually admit that it isn't true that people are blaming everything on Chad, just that they blame him more than any other single player. Thanks for agreeing with me. I also did not say that people who think that the Jets will be better off without Chad are brainless, I said that people who think that everything is Chad's fault are brainless. Try reading and commenting on what I actually wrote. Of course Chad gets most of the blame, and I gave you several reasons why that's so. The QB always gets more of the credit when things are good and more of the blame when things are bad. Add to that the fact that he is on the wrong side of 30, is coming off two shoulder surgeries, his highly-drafted young replacement is sitting on the bench behind him, and he just isn't very good any more, and it's completely appropriate that people say that the Jets simply can't win with him at QB, and it's time for a change. That's not an attack, it's a reasoned football opinion. Yes, two years ago it would have been about Herm, because it was blindingly obvious that it was time for a change in the coach then. That didn't make him a whipping boy either. You seem to have this bizarre notion that fans are not allowed to want change, and are not allowed to express it strongly on a football message board. This is truly rich coming from you, the master of the "people like you" attack whereby you accuse people of saying things they never actually said. Here is what I said: Considering the first part of my statement, up until this past week you were vociferous in attacking anyone who dared to suggest that Chad should go; after the Buffalo game you specifically said that "anyone who thinks that the QB is the problem in this team doesn't know anything about football." The fact that you've finally seen the truth and changed your opinion doesn't change the fact of your earlier attacks, and that apparently all those people were right, and it was you who didn't know what he was talking about. As to the second part of my statement, you just did it in this post: "My problm is not w/ people who think Chad should take a seat it's the way Chad gets most of the blame and the way Chad is attacked." First, as I noted above, until this week you had plenty of problems with people who thought Chad should take a seat. In any event, as I said, maybe it's time to stop criticizing fans for supposedly not showing enough loyalty to particular players? Chad is a big boy getting paid millions of dollars to play football - he doesn't need you protecting his fragile ego from the slings and arrows of posters on a message board, and your condescending attitude towards those who state their case against him more strongly than you'd prefer is a joke.
After his two operations, he isn't the same. I blame the bad rushing on the offense line but some blame has to go to Chad for his lack of arm strength. Martin is also a HOF back.
