yes. As in the Twins will be in contention at the trading deadline next year, so they decide not to trade him. Then, they will not be able to afford to keep him, so he will become a free agent.
Oh god :sad: I definitely would like having Santana, but I don't want to give up too much. Maybe something like Melky, Wang and a minor leaguer for him (and then sign Hunter). So it would be pretty much Melky for Hunter and Wang for Santana....the one would problem I would have with that trade would be getting older again:shit:
I read Santana is on the meeting agenda this week. They also said they are fine with a rotation of Chamberlain, Hughes, Wang, Pettitte and Kennedy or Mussina. The key is what to do if Pettitte doesn't come back. That would put them in the Santana hunt. At least they won't have to wait forever to find out. Pettitte has to make his decision the same time Arod does. 10 days after the world series ends.
If you are the Twins, when do you make the decision to trade or keep and lose? If I were the Twins, I would make that decision, definitevely, around the trading deadline. So, the Yanks better be ready to make an offer. Who would you throw in? I say... Kennedy, Cabrerra, Duncan, and Battle. Any takers? Or this too much?
He is probably worth more now then he will be at the trade deadline. At that point he could be only a 3 month rental. A trade over the winter would probably only be done with an extension. Either way, there are only a limited number of teams that have both the money and the players to get involved. I originally thought the Yankees would get involved. Lately I think there is no chance they will.
Allow me to clarify, challening approaching August. Is that better for you? Or, to be challenging in August? Or Have the opprtunity to challenge in August?
Santana is worth more now than he will be at the trading deadline, so the Twins should try to trade him now, and if the yankees want to win world a series they need a dominant pitcher which he is. If they trade Wang, Kennedy, and Melky for Santana and the sign Aaron Rowand they would be in great shape going into next year.
I would offer Melky, Wang, and Alan Horne. They refuse, I debate giving up Kennedy. I don't touch Hughes or Joba.
What alot of people are failing to realize here is that the Yankees could refuse to include Joba and Hughes and from a prospect standpoint STILL be able to put forth an offer that would be hard for other teams to match. Say the Yankees put forth an offer of Kennedy Horne Melky and maybe a fringe prospect like Eric Duncan. That's still a hard offer for others to beat just because Horne and Kennedy project to be 2-4 guys in a major league rotation and Melky for all of his seasoning is only 23. So a starting position player with a cheap contract who can be controlled through arbitration for a while and two stud pitching prospects. Hmm that sounds close to what would be needed for the Yankees rotation to look something like Santana Hughes Joba Wang and I mean for all it matters the 5th starter at that point could be a midget in a bikini.
You are delusional. The idea that the Yanks could get Johan without dealing Wang, Cano or any of their top 3 prospects (Joba, Hughes and Tabata) is a joke.
I don't think they could ask for Wang and Cano because what team would come close to offering an all-star calibur second baseman with a 19 game winner. One or the other would certainly go for Santana, but the way you guys make it sound is that the Yankees would have to trade Wang Cano Melky Hughes Joba and Tabata. It's rediculous.
It's not as ridiculous as you're making it out to be. The problem is, the Yankees lose in trade deals more often than they win. That's why they normally only trade at the deadline, for a key stretch player. Teams see the Yankees coming a mile away, and ask for ridiculous terms. Remember, we could have had either Gagne OR Teixiera for the bargain price of BOTH Chamberlain and Hughes, nothing less. Did the Sox or Braves give up nearly that kind of value in comparison? (Granted, I don't know the talent levels of the players involved in the trades, but I'm pretty confident believing that the race wasn't even close, even given that Hughes and Joba aren't proven commodities.) The Yankees have created an atmosphere that they will pay any price for a player they desire. Situations like this are where it comes back to bite us in the ass.
I'm not saying the Twins could ask for/get both Wang and Cano. The idea that the Yankees (or just about any team for that matter) can get Johan without giving up at least one of their top five "young players" is a joke. Guys like Kennedy and Melky are very nice pieces, but countless teams (including the Mets and Red Sox) can top an offer where they are the "centerpiece" of the deal.
Yeah, the Sox gave up next to nothing for Gagne, which is good, because that's the production they've gotten from him.
the red sox gave up next to nothing for gagne, but the braves gave up their top 3 - thats right TOP 3 prospects in the trade for teixeira as well as a pitcher who has been rated with the best fastball in the braves minor league system and a guy who was a 2005 supplemental first round draft pick. make of it what you will but the braves DEFINATLEY traded away key prospects, guys that will easily be starting players eventually.
Fair enough. With Gagne, it doesn't matter that he hasn't lived up to expectations, the potential was there, and he warranted more than was received before the trade. As for Tex, okay, I don't know squat about the Braves organization, so if they gave up big, then it was still warranted. In comparison, Texas wanted Hughes and Chamberlain, along with possibly Melky. 2 of those players had already shown they were major leagues ready, and Joba was a huge prospect, though at the time still unproven. It doesn't change my point though either way though. When teams see the Yankees coming, the first thing they think is "Oh yeah, the asking price just went up!" When the Yankees aren't interested, the best they can do is "fair market value".
i agree, its only when we are trying to trade for someone old or with a huge contract that we get a decent deal
There's a reason for that though. The Yankees have a MUCH deserved reputation for overpaying, so teams figure they should take advantage of it. Plus, what team wants to do ANYTHING to "help out" the Yankees?
The Mets can trump any offer the Yankees are willing to make with Milledge, Pelfrey, and Fernando Martinez (their top outfielder prospect) for Santana.
