I've been backing Mangini all season and have even said I think we can win a bunch of games later in the schedule. After yesterday's abysmal display I am begining to think we are spiralling into the abyss. I still think we have major players on the team but I am beginning to doubt Mangini and his coaching staff like never before. Can Mangini survive if we don't win anymore games. The Dolphins game looked a lock a few weeks back, not anymore. Your thoughts please and who is available for HC?
Yes, I think he can survive a 2 win season. The thing that people don't get, is he has had this team knocking on victory's door every single game this season (other than the 1st one). Pennington INTs and Nugent missed FG's or McCaerins dropped balls are what lost the games for us. Our record is on the players shoulders. Now, if we go 2-14 two years in a row then Mangini should fry. But not after this season.
The GM may be on the hot seat as well. In fact I'm sure he is. We only played 3 teams in the first half with a winning record. 7 of our 8 remaining games are against teams like that. It appears he has made the QB change now. What happens over those last 8 games will go a long way toward deciding where he is at the end of this season.
I agree Murrell. While a lot of posters are asking themselves if this is the worst team ever, I feel that it doesn't come close. There hasn't been a game yet this year that we didn't have a chance to win. We have consistently been in a position to win. I won't, however, use the excuse of almost because of one missed kick or dropped pass. That is where good coaching comes in...bringing the team that extra little intangible step that forces luck our way instead of the other way. I have enjoyed watching the games this year (except for watching Chump drive the O into the ground), and have not given up on the head coach. We need to show marked improvement next year, and that means specifically that I want to see that Mangini has learned from his mistakes. I am willing to write off this season as the sophomore jinx/learning curve that it is, but if that hard-headed boner of a man hasn't shown he knows how to adjust to changing situations in real time, then it's time for him to go back to the coordinator's chair and let the big boys run the teams.
Why don't we see if maybe a shakeup at QB results in more than a couple wins before we make a determination. The problem for this team is at quarterback, and has been all along. Let's see what happens when Clemens actually gets an opportunity. If we still continue to lose with the QB this staff picked, then yeah, Mangini is in trouble. But let's wait and see what happens first.
He will survive a two win season provided we are able to beat the University of Miami Dolphins; should we lose to the UMD – then he will survive a one and fifteen season. Next year – when he goes 4 – 12, he’ll get canned.
That "shakeup at QB" you refer to is the single greatest mistake our young padawan has made as head coach. And is just the type of decision he must learn from if he wants to make it here in NJ (NY). Hopefully he doesn't fall into the "keep veterans in there no matter how bad they suck" thing that has befallen previous regimes. That will be a good measuring stick for the future.
I think he meant that Mangini's lack of doing the "shakeup" earlier was the Padawan's greatest mistake.
Yes, he can. We've learned over the years that Woody is pretty much gutless and can't really make Steinbrenner-like decisions.
Well, you have to ask yourself -what did the Jets expect when they hired Mangini? Did they hire a proven winner with a long track record that would be able to come in and right the ship? Or did they hire a young, up and coming coordinator with no track record who would need to learn on the job during a 2-3 year rebuilding process. Mangini gets at least one more year.
The last thing we need is the chaos surrounding Steinbrenner-like decisions. The Yankees only started winning when they were forced to not make such decisions.
The Only thing worse than Chads Performance this year had been the Coaching Staffs -- Should he be fired ? Yes , Will He? no. But we are close in Games? - BS the Bills have a worse O than us , and Have only scored 97 all year , Dont give the D that much credit for yesterday. Thomas Jones is running up a storm , Hey let's line up in Shotgun and throw on first down. If you must try and mix it up at least call play action but seriously we needed to keep running period in a 3-3 game. We are moving the Ball , we are getting ready to go ahead by 3 at the very least, Its 3rd Down lets put Brad Smith at QB and call a trick play so we can fumble it away. Its 4th Down and 3 , we are 1-6 , we are in opposing territory - game is basically over - Lets Punt. I Know everyone blames Pennington but the Coaching Staff has lost more games for us than he has this Season.
Agree 100%... Mangini has proven through his decisions to be one stubborn bastard... He thinks he's Bill Bellicheck - doesn't take advice from anyone... the only problem is, he's NOT a head coach - he's a ball boy who kissed a lot of ass to move his way up the ladder!
We are in the process of Rebuilding. It takes time! We do not have a good team and did not last year. We had a weak schedule and everyone is seeing the proof right now!
I'm going to buck the trend again, as I've done in the last few weeks. I think 3-13 is the breaking point for this regime. If they drive the Jets into that kind of hole I'm fairly confident there will be a regime change of extreme proportions. Woody does not have a lot of confidence in Bradway, as talent director, and he knows that Tannenbaum and Mangini are both inexperienced and were coming into the job. A disaster of a season will push him towards a more certain solution to the Jet's management woes. If Cowher agrees to GM he will get the job and pick his own staff from his ex-Steeler's entourage. Of course if the Jets right the season and begin to look competent then the current regime will continue.
