Mangini threw him into the fire at the end of a game...because Mangini knew is was basically over...Mangini should've put Clemens in after Pennington's first failed drive of the 2nd half -- that might've given Clemens a shot to do something. Clemens needed a god damn miracle to win this game. The Bills knew he was going to be passing for the rest of the game.
There's so much about this season that just makes no sense at all. I suppose having Clemens only thrown into poor situations (on the road in Baltimore, in the nearly hopeless situation today) is one of the few things that has been consistent. Based on that I guess we should expect Chad to start next week against Washington and then Clemens to get thrown to the wolves against the Pittsburgh and Dallas pass rushes after the bye.
Actually, Chad probably will start and Clemens will enter the game in the 4th quarter, when we're down by 21 with 2 minutes left...and a lot of the idiots on this board will expect him to come in and win the game.
I hear you man...it is frustrating to see that people are seriously upset that he didn't go in there and dominate. Perhaps take note that the guy did NOTHING for the first 57 minutes of the football game! It is hard to come in down 10, with only 3 minutes remaining and expect something incredible.
The Jets were down ten points with three and a half minutes left in the game. It's not such a miracle to come back and win it in that situation; not that I blame Clemens at all for the loss, but I wouldve been much more inclined to believe Pennington really is the problem if Clemens came in the game and at least had a little success, but he didn't. Personally it's my belief that Pennington shouldn't lose his job after only one or two real bad games this season. If that were the rule at every position, thered be no day 1 starters left, because they're all taking turns sucking. If Clemens actually gave the Jets a better shot to win games, the coaches would've made the move already.
Did you even watch the game or see it on Gamecast? He had more success in 3min then Chad did in 57 throwing the ball downfield. Last time i checked, leading your team to 0 touchdowns and checking down to your running backs every play doesnt constitute a good game. The receivers im sure were open as well because Clemens found them with ease. Chad is just playing scared because he doesnt have the arm to make the throws. I think its now safe to say any QB in this league gives the Jets the same chance to win as Chad does, because can you really get any worse then 1-7? Nope....
I will guarantee you that the stats will show this is a loss 95%+ of the time. He's had only two good games this year: against Miami week 3 and against Cincy week 7. In the Miami game the Jets got very good field position and he capitalized. Against Cincy his "good" game was not so good if you remove the one deep strike on the first drive and evaluate what the Jets offense did the rest of the game. Basically, read Dr. Z's column on why QB rating is so out of whack these days. He makes a very good case that completion percentage is completely over-rated and INT% is weighted much too lightly given the much more forgiving environment for passing in today's game. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/dr_z/10/25/rating.system/1.html When you read this you begin to understand how passers like Chad, that do not put many points on the board, can have very high (and misleading) ratings for how they are performing at QB.
I know its a loss most of the time, and like I said I don't blame him for the loss. But it wouldn't be a miracle. If Clemens at least threatened to score the touchdown, I might be convinced that he's the better player. As it is, he came in and turned the ball over (which Pennington, even though he didn't get many yards, didn't do). Thomas Jones has had about as many good games this year as Pennington has. I'm not ready to send him to the bench yet either, because I know that his stats don't only reflect on him, they reflect on theperformance of every offensive and defensive player on the team.
Hey Bradway, You wrote something I agree with you about. Only thing is I had to fix it a little. :smile: Look I think the play calling sucked today, in the respect that the Bills should have had Thomas Jones tattooed to their f-ing foreheads. However, I refuse to believe that Schottenheimer called for 15 dump offs in a row. No way no how. Chad is just not able to throw over 6 yards effectively. I was watching two ants fuck on the bar counter. It was a hell of a lot more interesting than watching our offense the first 57 minutes.
I didn't think Namath should have lost his job for not being able to walk and step into a throw. Chad shouldn't lose his until his arm falls off. Not being able to throw a football is a very small handicap for an NFL QB with intangibles.
The worst decision Clemens made wasn't either of the two picks he had but the third one that was dropped by the LB that should have gone for a TD the other way. When he was being sacked and tried to dump the pass off without looking to Washington. That was just plain stupid and probably the type of play that has kept him on the bench until now.
While I agree that was a bad decision, he did look at Washington before he tried that. I'd also rather have a guy willing to take chances to make plays than someone scared to make a mistake. It seemed like he was trying to do too much yesterday, maybe to make an impression, who knows. He was in a pretty tough situation and was trying to make something happen. Bottom line is that when you're down 10 with about 3 minutes to go you absolutely HAVE to take risks to have any shot at winning. If those risks result in turnovers, so be it.
vickblows, you crack me up....Very true though, KC should of been in 5 games ago. Sell this F@#$% team, we can't even score a touchdown and the Pats score at will..
meaning, he has it in him to be a good coach, but he's not coaching well by making bad decisions. is that what you're saying? because that's how i feel.
I believe that Eric Mangini just wasn't ready to head coach an NFL team when he took the Jets job. He got lucky with Jerrico Cotchery turning into a stud and with Chad not getting hurt last season and with the schedule and won 10 games even though he was unprepared for the job. Then the offseason showed up and his lack of experience really killed this squad. The Ganggreen regulars mostly knew the Jets were getting by with smoke and mirrors last season. We knew the offensive and defensive lines were too weak to play at a high level and we knew that the offense was way too inconsistent against defenses that had a clue. I picked the Jets to upset the Pats in the playoffs last year anyway, because it's hard not to believe that things are going to go your way when they seem to be going your way, regardless of the realities involved. I think that Eric Mangini looked at last year's successes as a tangible thing, instead of the wispy improbable thing that they now look to have been. I think that he saw a team that needed to be added to to get to the next stage of success, when in fact it was a team still in need of a gut-level rehab. Mangini stayed with Chad as long as he did because he really believed that what was happening out there this season was just bad luck that could be washed away by hard work and some balancing good luck. The Jets, of course, were likely a 4 to 6 win team from the moment that Pete Kendall got traded with no reasonable backup plan in place. Looking at all of this I can't help thinking that Mangini has regressed from being a coach not fully prepared for the NFL last season to being just a bad coach this season. I really do not believe that he can put it all together and command the respect of his team that is required to handle the rigors of an NFL season. So while I do not believe he's the worst coach the Jets have ever had, I believe he's putting together one of the worst seasons as head coach that I have ever seen. If it continues I believe that he should be fired. He really will not amount to much if this is what happens to him when the shit hits the fan.
Thankfully, he'll be starting next Sunday. Still, nobody should EXPECT him to be successful against the Skins secondary in only his second start. We may not see a great game from KC until next season after the CS has built an offense around him, or at least modified the current gameplan. He'll gain valuable experience, but keep the expectations low. We may be pleasantly surprised that way.
but from your posts throughout the board, it seems like you're not willing to give him another Offseason to right this thing. if he has a successful Offseason and starts acquiring the right pieces, i think he'll be fine. all of these mistakes and poor decisions he's making, maybe he'll learn from them; they'll be turned into positives. basically, i think last year and this year cancel each other out. this Offseason he has a lot to prove, and i'd like to see him get the chance to do so.
