congratulations! you finally see the ways of the "evil empire" who cares about the money...its about trying to win it all........150 will become 180 and so on......and just because the 50 million went to japan doesnt mean fans dont count that as money spent to further your team....so in practicality the red sox payroll is higher than you say....as far as public opinion goes,.
Well, public opinion is 100% worthless for one. As far as MLB is concerned, the payroll is at $143 million and change according to Cot's Baseball Contracts. The figure of $150 million would be below the luxury tax for next year too. Plus once Manny's contract is done, it would be even lower. I know Yankee fans want to think that just because the Sox are second in payroll it makes them the same as the Yankees, but the reality is the two still aren't even close, and being in the same division forces the Sox to spend probably more than they really want to to even have a shot at competing. Look at the rest of the division. The Sox may be second in payroll, but they're still almost $50 million behind the Yankees.
"were" is the operative word here. At least for now. The Yankees have already dropped 25 million on Arod and probably 16 million on Pettitte. If Rivera and Posada leave that's another $35.
dude...I dont care what anyones payroll is....I am all for spending as much as you want.......Im just pointing out that the Red Soz are inching closer to the practices that prompted whats his face to call the yankees "the evil empire"....as far as the red sox being forced to spend money because the yankees do is retarded......first of all there is a wildcard which you guys are ver familiar with....so you dont have to win the division as you proved in 04....secondly, the competition between the two teams is such now that the yankees feel similar pressure to compete with the Sox....see kei igawa
I just read last week they only wanted to give him a 20-25 million contract but Boras convinced them how much they would make from Japan which has turned out to be totally untrue.
I just showed that even if they sign Arod and Lowell AND keep Manny, the payroll will go up by $4 million at most. The Yankees meanwhile are going to have to shell out a LOT of money to keep/replace the free agents they have.
Matsuzaka was a "rookie" in the major leagues this season. Not only a rookie, but a new country and culture. How was Josh Beckett's first season in Bean Town? Matsuzaka will be a stud number two pitcher for Boston next year.
With the unbalanced schedule, it would be harder for the Sox to win the wildcard too if they didn't spend. They have to face the Yankees 19 times a year, and they also wouldn't be far enough ahead of the other three teams in the division to pencil in wins there. Igawa was more of a PR move than a baseball move IMO. Steinbrenner wanted to make a move for a "big name" Japanese player of his own. I don't think anyone in their right minds thought Igawa was going to be worth anything more than that.
Bobby Valentine is on record as saying Kei Igawa was the worst baseball signing imaginable last year.
I am 100% sure you made that up, like you do with most things you "just read last week" that are completely untrue. Epstein has said in interviews that they placed the total figure to acquire Matsuzaka at around $100 million between the posting fee and his contract. That was the reason the negotiations went down to the last day. Boras felt that the posting fee was separate, and the organization felt otherwise.
They may not want to replace them. What won 4 out of 5 titles was not expensive players, it was good pitching and role players. I would like them to go back to that formula. Without Steinbrenner's money there is no way these small market teams can keep their good young players.
Don't bother. Here's one that shows you're wrong. It took about 30 seconds to find. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2694660 Edit: Here's another. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/13/sports/baseball/13redsox.html
If we're thinking of the same article - and I think we might be - that's not what it said. Boras claimed that the return on Daisuke equates to around $20-25 million per year, and Larry Lucchino, who HATES Boras, called that laughable. Boras then qualified it by pointing out how the immediate return is more like $5 million per year, and likely to increase with expanded brand recognition in the Far East market. Frankly, I think he's right, and I think Lucchino KNOWS he's right. Hell, NESN added Ken Macha as a desk commentator and a Japanese feature reporter specifically to tap into the Japanese market. You can see the merchandising pop around the Boston area already. My 6 year old nephew has a Daisuke shirt, and I'd bet it's one of the 3 top sellers. If you watched the playoffs, you may have noticed that the photographer pen at Fenway was over-loaded with Asian photographers. Larry Lucchino is calling Boras full of crap because (a) Boras and the MLBPA queered the Sox deal for ARod, (b) he hates that Boras asks for the world - and gets it, and (c) because Boras is inventing new terms to define ARod's value, and that's a crappy precedent for a guy like Lucchino to combat. You don't need to invent terms to see Daisuke's value. It's everywhere around Boston and most of Japan. It will manifest itself a bit differently when the next Asian phenom hits the market, and he grew up wearing a Daisuke Red Sox hat and watching NESN.
Almost Don. You almost have a point. BUT... Those quotes were before the deal was done, so no one had "been screwed". Before a deal was done, the club said "Matsuzaka is worth about $100 million to acquire, including the posting fee." Boras said "Matsuzaka is worth $100 million NOT including the posting fee." The Red Sox paid $103 million including the posting fee. So who got screwed?
Well, this isn't the article. I tried a lot of different google combinations and haven't found it yet but this speaks to how far they were apart. You can put any numbers on it you want. Eventually I will find it, it was on one of the major sports pages a week ago. Anyway, the whole point of what I said was the Red Sox are no friends of Boras as you would have people believe. http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/200...tiations-and-is-scott-boras-pulling-a-fonzie/
I don't mean to sound like a disrespectful prick, but if my favorite team just won the world series, I can think of things other than arguing with people like Don over payroll issues and international marketing that I'd be doing to celebrate. Seriously, enjoy yourselves for a week first.
1) Jason Giambi - $23 mill 2) Mike Mussina - $11 mill 3) Carl Pavano - $10 mill 4) Kyle Farnsworth - $5 mill 5) Roger Clemens - $17 mill 6) Kei Igawa -$4 mill + $26 mill posting fee once the yankees clean up mistakes like these their payroll wont be as deceptive. $200 mill does not portray the players the yankees have on their team. these guys above contributed next to nothing to this years team, and the yankees have to stop grossly overpaying players to sit out all season hurt or not perfom on a level even close to their salary. while i think that the red sox overpaid lugo, matsuzaka, and drew, they still contributed to the teams sucess and did their parts in the postseason. if the players above didnt even show up to spring training, it wouldnt have even hurt the yankees in the 07 season.
The reason you haven't found it is because it doesn't exist. And I never said they weren't far apart. They were. The Sox were offering the contract he did get, and Boras wanted twice that. But that wasn't your point anyway. Your point was that Boras "screwed" the Red Sox, when in fact the Sox gave Matsuzaka the contract THEY wanted, both in years and dollars.
