Would a 1-15 finish in 2007 finish Mangini? Eric Mangini the guy with all the answers and the 2 hour practices will have a tough time holding this team together if they go in the tank the rest of the year. Already unnamed sources (players) are complaining how Mangini beats up on them in training camp and practice during the year. If your name is Belicheck with 3 SB's behind you the players will follow you. If your a 2nd year task master who won't bend some players may be looking to leave for greener grass. A season of promise has turned in to the Hindenberg.One has to ask one's self if the Tangini corporation are the right fit for the Jets.
If they don't like it they can go someplace else. Camp creampuff aka: Sperm Edwards I'm sure will take the lightweights off our hands. If you don't want to work hard we don't want you end of story.
3-13, 2-14, or 1-15 will finish Mangini in New York, but not because of the reasons you listed.... It will mark a regression from the terrible injury-riddled 2005 team he was brought in here to fix.... A HC, with a healthy team who makes that kind of regression in his second year, does not deserve to keep his job
You can't pull the plug on a coach after his 2nd year of putting his system in and trying to get his players in. We need some stability in this organization and this HC is the right one. They have drafted well since he got here, he still needs some time to put all the pieces together.
He has drafted well, I'll give him that, but what makes you think this is the 'right coach'? Our locker room hasn't been grumbling this much since Al Groh, and that was a veteran team.... How a coach even BEGINS to lose a team full of guys 25 years old and younger is beyond me... Mangini has been terrible at making in-game adjustments this year, the team has been on-and-off discipline wise, some game having no penalties, and others having loads.... Mangini's been inconsistent, refusing to play Justin Miller because of his lack of discipline last year, but throwing a very raw, extremely undisciplined Abram Elam in the lineup this season over two so-so guys in Coleman and Smith.... Mangini's been inconsistent when it comes to 'letting the best player play,' benching Chris Baker after he spoke out, de-activating Andre Dyson for a game when our CB situation is very spotty, and refusing to bench Chad until we were halfway through a dismal season... I have seen nothing out of him this season to tell me he is going to be a good head coach... If he doesn't get this team to 4+ wins this season, I don't want him anywhere near this ballclub in 2008...
I honestly don't think that Mangini will get to next year if he and the Jets bottom out this season. A coach that falls to his knees in his second season usually cannot get back up in the NFL. Not with any team. New Orleans got off to the same terrible start the Jets did, but Payton found some answers and they are slowly recovering. That's what you do if you want to keep your job as caoch.
No. Mangini has 2 more years, of sub 500 performance before he is shown the door. But don't count on that to happen. Last week, he got more involved with the defense, and expect Sutton to be replaced this off season, with a good 3-4 guy. Two....How many games did QB play lead us to lose this season ? Cant hang that on Eric, because when the change is likely permanent (barring injury), you cant just go week in and week out...(though I think Chad should have been benched after 2 games, using the high ankle sprain as the rationale...but if Clemens comes in and gets it going, how do you go back...? he was in a bad spot....) Those factors alone, buy him a mulligan on this season, especially if Clemens comes in and looks like the Future.
Mangini gets another year, regardless of record. I don't think this team is that horrible with Clemens as quarterback and Harris in the middle. The defense wasn't particularly terrible last week and the passing game should be opened up. I think Schottenheimer is in trouble as is Sutton. I don't think Schottenheimer was Mangini's choice from the get-go, but rather seen as another young guy that the team could work with. I'd expect to see someone promoted from within or brought in from New England. I know it's common knowledge that Mangini is looking to get after one of the Ryan brothers to effectively run his scheme. Next year is Mangini's opportunity to fully implement his scheme. The Jets will have to replace a few old hands and they will be loaded for the draft. They'll have every opportunity to either trade down or hand off Vilma for extra picks. Should we see a repeat of this year (a horrendo start) then it's within the realm of possibility that he'll be fired mid-season. I don't think that's likely to happen. -X-
Totally different situations and you know it. Kotite had 2 awful seasons. If we are at the same place next year you have a point but not now.
Who's grumbling? Baker? Who else? One person making one comment after an emotional loss is not grumbling.
Mulligans are for 5-11 type offseasons, maybe even 4-12. You get no grace from a 3 win season. That's mainly because only terrible teams produce seasons like that. Even the 2005 Jets with no QB and injuries all up and down the lines managed 4 wins. Art Shell, a successful NFL head coach and beloved by the fans of the franchise, got hired to turn the Raiders around in 2006. Then he went 2-14 and found out there are no excuses for that kind of finish.
First of all ,no FA leaves if they get paid..no one..Its always about the money..Mangini isn't going anywhere and he will right the ship. He is a good NFL coach and all of you doubters will have to fess up to being front runners that you are.
Lets change coaches after 1 bad year, thats a great way to do business. What coach in their right mind could we get when its out there that the team and the fans will turn on them and fire him at the first sign of trouble?
So if we end up 5-11 that would be ok with you? How about we finish the season first and see what happens?
Agreed, there have been some rough spots in his coaching game and handling of players that needs polishing, but i dont think he will be canned after the season unless there is a major player revolt, and i dont see that happening. He has made some mistakes, and hopefully (for his sake) he will learn from them and raise his coaching prowess to the next level. If he persists in being stubborn and continues to alienate players without getting results, his stay will be shortened.
There was the whole debacle with Vilma, which wasn't direct grumbling, but contradiction of the coach... Kerry Rhodes, after, I think, the Bengals game, had a sarcastic tone when basically saying 'no comment' about the coaching moves.... Brandon Moore said something about how they had a gameplan, and the other team adjusted and they didn't..... There have been other small examples as well
