If the Jets collapse I think Tannenbaum may well be gone as well. This season is not laid all at the feet of Mangini, although he bears a lot of responsibility. It's the GM's job to make sure there is enough talent on the roster for the team to be at least marginally competitive. Obviously Tannenbaum does not understand what constitutes that minimal talent requirement because he allowed the Jets offensive and defensive lines to deteriorate below the very marginal levels they were at last year.
The defense stinks because you can't play a 3-4 without a true two gap nose tackle. Teams are just running the ball right at the middle of our defense we don't have the size to stop anyone. We can't stop the pass because we have no pass rush. Hobson is a nice roll player probably more suited for the inside but he has no ability to beat anyone off the edge. Just because someone was drafted in the first round doesn't mean they are talented. Robertson was a decent 4-3 tackle certainly not worth the 4th pick. Ellis hasn't done sh$t as a pass rusher since he got his contract. BT clearly shouldn't been a first round pick. The bottom line is that we are in the transition period between a 4-3 and a 3-4. I don't know what defense we could play now that would be better against the run. Putting Pouha and Robertson at tackle is a nice idea but we still wouldn't have a pass rushing end.
All of the first rounders w/ the exception of perhaps BT have shown the ability to be an above average starter when put in the proper position. That's the point being made.
I was just about the write the same thing about the high draft choices. The previous GM screwed us big time by trading 2 #1's for DR. Its not like our rush defense has been great in the past either, lets face it our problems stopping the run goes back to Ted Cotrell being the DC.
The 2007 draft was an abomination. A rebuilding team does not need two potentially great players and a bunch of 6th round rejects, particularly when the two hot prospects are at positions that are not the keys to a 3-4 defense. Key to a 3-4 defense are NT and ROLB. A rebuilding team needs a half dozen players who could theoretically contribute to the rebuilding process. This season was semi-predictable after the draft given that free agency had produced no impact players on the defensive side of the ball. Letting Kendall go after not improving the offensive line was just pissing into a hurricane that was developing into a perfect storm of ineptitude.
I had no problem with that, we pinned them back to the 10 but the shitty d couldn't stop them yet again. I saw Holmgren go for it on 4th and inches today in OT at the Browns 40, get stuffed then procede to get beat. We got beat anyway but punting was the right call if the d could ever get a 3 and out. Sound coaching move in my book. Besides if Cotch doesn't drop the 3rd down pass we get in position to kick the winner.
This is 2007 and they all blow! don't give me the 3-4 excuse either, you can either play or you can't, period.
Ok, if that's the case....let's stick Vince Wilfork at safety for the Pats and ask him to cover Santana moss on a post. He better hold up cause you can either play or you can't, period.
Our problems with stopping the run begin with the conversion from a 3-4 defense in 2000 to a 4-3 in 2001. That move forced us to put John Abraham at RDE in the 4-3, a position he was unsuited for the physical demands of (yes, I know he had injury problems before the switch, but still), it forced us to move James Farrior, a 3-4 linebacker, out and replace him with Sam Cowart, 4-3 linebacker coming off an achilles injury, and it exposed the aging problems that culminated in the early retirements of Marvin Jones and Mo Lewis, who were much better suited for the lane-oriented 3-4 at that point in their careers. The problems became critical when we lost a competent 4-3 NT to free agency before 2005 and never replaced him adequately. The run defense just disintegrated when we switched to the 3-4 in 2006 and effectively used only two people even remotely suited for the 3-4 in the front seven, those being Shaun Ellis at LDE, who was slightly undersized for the position at that point, and Bryan Thomas who found an effective role as the ROLB in the 3-4. Now in 2008 we'll ship Vilma somewhere and probably move D-Rob and then go 4-12 and see a 4-3 coach come in in 2009... Good run D comes from commitment to a scheme, competent coaching and good talent acquisition. Over the last seven years the Jets have had very little of those three elements and where they have had them they frequently have cancelled each other out.
There losing right now, close games, but close games to average teams. What happens when they play the Pittsburgh, Dallas, NE again. We got swept by the Bills for christ'sake. This team has one win which came against the worst team in the NFL. There only the worst because they lost a nail biter to the Jets. This team is embarrassing right now and really hard to watch, not only because of the problems on both sides of the ball, but because you know deep down inside that no matter what kind of lead they may have at any point in the ballgame, they'll find a way to blow it. I've sat there and told my girlfriend how the Jets would lose the game midway through the 3rd quarter a couple times this season and it happened. She would laugh and tell me that maybe this'll be the week they hold on, to have a little faith in the team. Well, she stopped doing that now. Even she can tell that this football team is a lifeless, gutless bunch of losers that have no confidence in there ability to finish a game. Now she instead of asking me if they won, she asks me how they lost. There are definitely holes on both sides of the ball, but it's no excuse for this team to be 1-8. They just don't know how to win anymore and with game planning and play calling as suspect as it's been, it's hard to sit there and say "lets give Mangini another year". One and Eight....I'll repeat, One and Eight with the toughest part of the schedule yet to come. Drafts aside, this staff has done nothing on either side of the ball thats given this team any kind of identity or personality. That said, maybe Mangini is succeeding in molding this team in his likeness after all..
Bad teams are bad from the top down. That's why you won't find any coaches who live through 1-15 or 2-14 seasons unless they are the first season they have the team, There's no such thing as an NFL roster that has so little talent that you can't coach it to 4-12 regardless of what else happens during the season. Herm, who is by no means a great coach, took a decimated Jets roster to 4-12 in 2005 despite losing his QB (twice), his hall of fame tailback, his all-pro center and probably the second best guy on that offensive line to injury and his only decent glue guy in the middle of the defensive line to free agency. He won 4 games with Vinny the dinosaur and Brooks the paperboy at QB. Mangini has just utterly failed at his job this season. There's no other way to look at it. Now can he get an F for this season and then turn into an A for us down the road? I guess he has a 10% shot. For me that's a bad bet.
What made you think the jets were going to stop them once they got the ball? It couldnt have been anything that happened in this game that led you to believe that. As soon as we gave up the ball in OT the game was as good as over.
Sadly, he added to the D line. Coleman has been our best D lineman so far IMO. The O line has gotten worse. We need to draft and/or (hopefully both) spend big in both areas or next season will be much the same as this one.
There's still a lot of season left gentlemen. Teams have started poorly and rebounded. Give the team a bye week to evaluate more talent and to adjust to Clemens and then some of these close losses would turn into close wins.
