I'd say it's up to him. Next year will be his third in the same offense, a luxury for an NFL QB these days, and he'll have every chance to win the job. He's got about a half season of game experience, which should help him a lot throughout the off season.
It is a term given on this board to all who do not think SAINT CHAD is the next coming of Joe Willy Namath. Qb is the least of our problems but it is a big one that has to be addressed before we can compete with the big boys. I mind my opinions of what I see of our team. I do not have the misguided notion that we are better than we are if we overachieve because of a weak schedule. Even if we had a team at all other positions that were equal to the Pat or Colts we would lose because of #10 behind Center! At some point the Qb will have to win a game with his arm or legs in the playoffs! Period!
I don't thnk any rational poster here has ever said Chad is the second coming of Namath. There are, however, people like yourself who devote about 99% of their energy here to bashing the guy, even when we're winning. It gets old. And he has won games in the playoffs, actually. I think he's tied for the most in team history and holds a bunch of Jets playoff records. You got your wish, Clemens played half the year, the offense didn't improve at all. Hopefully it improves next year with one guy or the other. Any real Jet fan would be happy either way--you wouldn't, that's the difference.
I couldn't agree more. If the Jets win, I don't care who's under center. Some here would still hate Chad if we had won this year.
QB is arguably the most critical position on the team... We have a very young team, and Chad has peaked. 17 TDs to 16 INTs last year, and 1-6 vs teams not from New England this year are clear indications that he is declining as a QB. Not to mention the countless rookie mistakes he has made as a 7th year formerly smart, mistake-free player this season... We're Jets fans for life, not just for one year.... I'd prefer to risk struggling with Clemens under center next season, and set our team up for success for years in the future (by either helping Clemens progression, or finding out he is not the guy, and making the decision to draft someone else an easy one) than to grasp onto the hope that Chad will lead us to the playoffs, and MAYBE get a decent season out of this team... What good would it do the team if Chad started next year and we went 7-9, as opposed to 6-10 with Clemens? None, it'd only delay our progress as a franchise
Thank you great post. This is not about hating Chad and loving KC at least that is not how a rational Jet fan thinks. If Chad was good this year led the Jets to a decent record, I am all for keeping him. That was not the case and I think it is time to move on. It really is nothing personal. I do not know why people make it so.
The thing I disagree with is the idea that losing with a young guy is "progress" as opposed to losing with an older guy. Losing is losing. Again, there are no rebuilding programs anymore, you go year to year. Clemens had a chance in his rookie camp, got half of this season and will get another shot next year. That's three chances in three years. If he doesn't take advantage of that it's not Chad's fault for being the other QB on the team. Name me a great QB who got three chances to win a job, failed, then went somewhere else and was successful. The coaches aren't going to sit by and lose another season, so if Clemens doesn't get it done or gets hurt again--something you have to plan for--you'll need someone else. Which brings me back to my question--Pennington is under contract, if we let him go, who do we get that is an upgrade at QB? Like you said, it's the most important position. I have nothing against Clemens, I'm a Jet fan. I was out there in the freezing rain the past two home games rooting him on, I'll be there next year. I'm the first to admit I'm partial to a veteran who has won here before, I thought Vinny got the shaft when they put Chad in but he proved me wrong in the space of a month and turned the season around. Clemens hasn't done that yet, and to me Chad has looked better when he's been in there. Fact is the offense was just bad this year, we couldn't run in the red zone and we couldn't block. So I say bring them both back and the better guy plays----for the good of the Jets.
He won 2 games. That says more about our lack of good seasons than it does how good Chad is. Colts 41-0, and the Chargers one thanks to Doug Brien. Exactly, compound onto that that there is nothing anymore to say that Chad will win us more games. The actual statistical facts point towards Clemens. However, after saying all of this, it still might be necessary to keep Chad around. I don't want to bring in a Charlie Batch, so Chad is arguably the best QB available to us besides Clemens. He can stay to help KC learn, or if he gets hurt provide a stable insurance factor. I don't care if people on the team like Chad, and I don't care if Chad wants to be the starter. I'm sure people drafted by Herm and used to his camps and practices are much maligned to find themselves working their asses off in July under Mangini. Also, Eric Crouch wanted to be a starter. It simply doesn't matter.
I think this is a misconception that flies in the face of every personnel move this team has made in the past 2 years. Whether or not they are doing it the correct way is another story, but rebuilding is a reality whether you like people using it as an excuse or not. Teams rebuild all the time, the trick is to rebuild and remain competitive. Which so far they only got half right.
Great post. If chad stays with the NYJ, he'd be the among the best backups in the league, which is good security. Ideally, I'd rather get some trade value for him, and imo Minny is a good spot for him. As far as giving Clemens more of a chance, i expect that's what the CS will do. They waited until 1-7 before pulling Pennington, so i doubt they will suddenly pull the plug on KC when the team went 3-4, or whatever the record was when he played. Next year is going to be key for him. Everyone wants to see a good amount of progression on his learning curve. If some expected improvements are made to the OL, his performance should get better, too. If not, then like Beaman said:
Well damn thanks for stating that clearly, I found that difficult to ascertain from your posts. :smile:
This is what I'm saying. People act like Clemens is a top of the draft guy you build around though, like Elway or Peyton Manning, and that's not the case. When you're talking QB, unless you have one of those guys, which we dont, the better guy has to play. Again, Clemens has had a chance each year he's been here to prove he's the better guy, he hasn't yet.
I see you take jokes well. Good to see you take arguing on a message board personal...........hahahaha
I was only half serious myself, but you could add a bit more than calling anyone a troll that doesn't agree with you. You get back what you give out, man.
I'm guessing he means the first year they did and the second year they didn't. Which is exactly my point, you can get to the playoffs and take your shot in any given year, that's why you have to put your best guys out there each game and not concern yourself with years from now. Not to say you can't build a team, but you can't take five years without winning or being in the hunt to do it or else you're out of a job. It's tougher for us because we have New England in our division right now, so we have to go on the road in the playoffs. People like to put that on Chad, like he's the reason we can only go so far, but New England has been the real reason in this decade.
Please, I call you a troll? No, I called the guy looking to bait me into an endless circular argument a troll. Come on that was a pretty obvious troll attempt even you can see that. No I admire your loyalty to Chad. I held off calling all the usual BS names people give him. I do not hate Chad. I am not an idiot that cheers if he gets hurt. I just have a differing opinion about him then you. Sometimes after arguing enough with a person you can see we just agree to disagree. (That would be me and you). Does not mean I do not respect others opinions. There are some very smart people that do not share any of the same views as me. (Bradwaysux for instance) For all the joshing and trying to lighten the stupidity of this place, I do put in plenty of Football related posts. However where appropriate and yes sometimes,admitedly, where inappropriate I throw in jabs to lighten the mood. Hey I am a pain in the ass and that will never change. BTW, you were completely serious...................:smile:
The Patriots aren't the reason Chad lost 6 other games. You must think Kellen will go through a struggle of epic proportions next year if you think that our record will be so bad that Mangini's status will come into question. IMO, Kellen, with Chad as a mentor will improve greatly if the FO takes care of the offensive line.
