This team is missing character and swagger. They need a serious play maker. They need to shy away from the under-the-radar type moves and make an impact with free agency or trade. This would solve both issues immediately. Obviously, it's not one of our biggest needs, but the offense would overall be much better with that type of threat on the team. All that we would really be missing is the guts of the offense...the line.
this board is hilarious. Everytime someone idenfities a player to get by trade, free agency etc. that they'd like to see on this team, some folks quickly gives an argument as to why we shouldn't get them, then b*tches about why the team doesn't improve. Last year, Moss is a headcase, before that TO is a headcase...this year, Haynesworth doesn't fit the 3-4, Chad Johnson is this and that, won't come here, Faneca is too old, always something. If a player is available in FA or a trade, then there is going to be a reason why. We're not getting LT, Brady, Hutchinson, Merriman, Reed, or Witten. Teams keep certain players for a reason. Why not Chad? And without giving up a high pick? He's exactly what we need. And I don't want to hear about winning and losing.....money and the glits of NYC would have Chad very happy here. This team also needs attitude and personality and he would b a welcomed addition.
Here's the problem: he's definitely not Randy Moss or even close. He's not even Reggie Wayne. His hands are weak for a topflight receiver and that's a critical flaw, which is one of the reasons that Bengals offense has not been as explosive as it should have been with all that talent there. Two or three dropped bombs a year is a big effect.
I hear ya but at the end of the day he is better than Coles an Cotchery and can get deep. The Bengals are one giant mess. Randy Moss is the best receiver to ever put on a uniform and one day Wayne could be up for consideration for the hall with Peyton throwing to him. At the end of the day Chad Johnson is a top ten receiver in the league and way better than what we have. And I like Coles and COtch but he would be an upgrade to both. Plus I think he is built for Ny.
Sign me up for Chad Johnson. While I love Coles, his body is breaking down and we do need to find some way to exploit weaknesses in our division. He will cost a lot but he will be worth it in the long run.
Why must they choose between one or the other? How come they can't go after a top tier playmaker like Johnson, and then build the other parts of the team through the draft and free agency? No, trading for Johnson doesn't help build the offensive line, but that's what the draft is for. Through mid-round picks, a good line coach, and chemistry, it's MUCH easier to build a successful OL than it is to find an elite receiver like Johnson. If the Jets can get Johnson for something like Vilma and a mid-round pick, they absolutely have to do it. It's been far too long since the Jets had a true game-changer like Chad Johnson. With all the problems the Jets have in the trenches, you can't just ignore the fact that after Coles and Cotchery, they have no consistent targets at WR. Adding a guy like Johnson puts this organization in a great spot for success once the other areas are addressed (OL, DL, OLB). And if they can trade Coles for a mid-round pick, like the one they'd give up in a deal for Johnson, they'd have a bonafide #1 in his prime and a bonafide #2 in his prime.
if we have coles, cotchery and chad johnson....one of them will be upset about playing time or their role in the offense
That may not be the case. Look at the preponderance of spread offense's in the NFL. If the Pats for instance can have Moss,Welker,Stallworth, Watson etc. etc. or the Colts with Wayne,Harrison,Clark etc. I am quite positive that the Jets can get in enough plays to make everyone happy. That being said, I am on the fence with Chad Johnson. He would be an upgrade for sure but would he fit in with a young QB like Clemens? Is he someone that can help his development? Of course provided Clemens has the potential to be a good QB in the NFL which still needs to be determined.
I can't imagine a scenario where we would keep all 3 of them, Coles would probably be the odd man out.
How many passes did the great Owens catch in the 4th quarter against the Giants Sunday when the Giant pass rush gave Romo no time to throw. Zero, that's how many. Until the OL is fixed, any talk of bringing in Chad Johnson is pure folly. And what exactly is wrong with Coles and Cotchery. Behind a weak OL and with no running game and controversy at QB, Cotchery just missed 1000 yards, had 1130 this year in 15 games, and was in the top 4 in the NFL in YACs. Coles was on pace for a 1200 yard, 10 TD season before he got hurt. With two receivers capable of 1000+ seasons and 10 TD passes, why exactly do the Jets need a WR??????
Because if you have the opportunity to add that type of playmaker, you shouldn't pass it up. Just because you go after Johnson, doesn't mean you can't fix the other areas of the team. It doesn't have to be a choice. It's only a choice if you want to continue to be mediocre.
Either one works and they are both just what the Jets need...big strong tough WR's that have no fear going over the middle and can also get deep. Either one would be the Jets best WR since Al Toon.
Because, simply put, this isn't Madden. Bringing in a head case like Johnson is something you do when you have a cohesive, solid atmosphere and you are a player away from a championship. That's not the case here. This is a locker room that's about a foot from the edge and peaking over. I don't see why you would ever trade Coles. There's simply no way your'e going to get equivalent value for him, he's still very productive, and he is the unquestioned leader of the team. He's going to be making 5 million next year and he's virtually a lock for 1,000 yards. He has an excellent relationship with Mangini. Chad Johnson can't even get along with Marvin Lewis, who seems to let his players do whatever they please. Your focus on Johnson's talents as an "elite receiver" totally disregards the relative importance of that position as well as what trading for "elite receivers" has done for teams. That bona fide number one and bona fide number two and bona fide STAR QUARTERBACK already exist behind a pretty solid offensive line in Cincinnati and they didn't even make the playoffs. You completely disregard this reality. I like Cotchery, but he's probably not any better than Houshmanzadeh. Clemens couldn't hold Carson Palmer's jock. The Jets start a backup at one safety spot, have one out of four solid linebackers in a scheme predicated on linebacker play, and have serious questions at both offensive tackle spots and guard. They don't have a legitimate nose tackle, and they have a bunch of journeyman vying for the second cornerback spot. They have far more pressing needs than "star wide receiver." They are as follows: 1.RT- Because we won't win with Marques Tuiasasopo at quarterback 2.NT-Because it's the cornerstone of our scheme and we have a bunch of rotational guys. Every successful 3-4 in the league has a tree stump at this spot. 3.OG-Because our running backs will all look like crap if they have to continue to climb over Adrien Clarke's back. 4.OLB-Because Hobson is likely gone and Thomas isn't a primary pass rusher and no one else can get after the QB. 5.CB- Because Revis and the nobodies won't cut it against the Patriots 6.FS- Because we have Abram Elam in on running downs and Eric Smith in on passing downs and neither one seems like a plus player. Bottom line- When you have as many holes as the Jets it makes no sense to throw a large portion of your cap at one of the few positions on your team that is a strength and "hope" that the draft will fill the rest of those holes. -X-
It does when you take into account that there is a salary cap. Johnson will command big big money and that takes away from money the Jets could use to sign Offensive and Defensive linemen, which is what the team really needs. It's time the Jets stopped trying to fix the OL with late round picks and journeymen.
That's all well and good, but it doesn't change the fact that you can address all needs and not ignore one over the other. Yes, there's a salary cap, but what's the relevance to that in this discussion? It's not impossible to have a great team with elite players that cost a lot of money, as long as your scouting and drafting is strong, which I think is a strength of this current regime. And I wouldn't WANT to trade Coles in that situation, but if you could get something in return (draft pick), it's a move you have to make given his age and injury concerns. You say I disregard the fact that Cincy has great receivers and a great QB but didn't make the playoffs, but you act as though no team with a great offense can make the playoffs. Just because Cincy isn't good enough when it comes to drafting and developing defensive talent and building a complete team, doesn't mean the Jets can't do that. If you want to continue just filling in certain holes instead of trying to add great players, fine. But that's what you do if you want to continue to be mediocre.
