Seriously, "If the cornerback position is so important why are the chiefs 4-12 with Ty Law" ARE YOU KIDDING ME. You're just "arguing for the sake of arguing" if your gonna say something like that.
As far as I can tell it wasn't ANNOUNCED until day 2, but I could be wrong. You're making an assumption based on an assumption here. You're assuming the pending trade was leaked to the Jets on day one, the Jets believed the source, and changed their entire draft strategy based on that. I suppose it's possible, but it seems a bit far fetched to me. No one can say for sure, but I suppose I'm jaded for not believing that. I would have preferred to have drafted offensive and defensive linemen myself, and I don't disagree with the draft strategy you and bradway are preaching. If we wanted to trade out, who's to say there was someone able and willing to do that? It's all unknown, but we can try and dream up scenarios if we want. The bottom line is they got two very solid players with those 4 picks who appear to have pro-bowl potential. The lines suffered and it was obvious watching them this season. Hopefully this years situation allows them to build the lines like they did the offensive line in 2006.
Antrell Rolle a shutdown corner? What? Lets see...in no particular order: Bailey Hall Newman Clements Asomugha Mathis Samuels Trufant McCallister Woodson Bodden And the fact that theres young guys like Revis, Eric Wright, and Cromartie that just scream special....this is one of the up and coming positions in the NFL. Theres still guys like Chris Houston, Tye Hill, Rolle, and a ton of other young CBs with alot of upside/potential out there too. I have no idea what you're doing by writing their W-L records by their names...proving that CBs don't win games? Anyone could have told you that without making some ridiculous conclusion of it.
I'm going to guess that you are a very young fan and have not been watching the Jets for a particularly long time. If you had been watching for awhile you'd know that being a shut down corner and winning games on the Jets have been completely dependent on other factors. Aaron Glenn was the best cornerback the Jets have had since about 1970. He made several pro bowls on terrible Jets teams and he was rarely thrown at by the opposing offenses. He went to Houston and was rarely thrown at there either. He was a great CB. I mean a really great CB. And the Jets went 6-10 the season they drafted him. They went 3-13 the next season. 1-15 the season after that. The Houston teams he was on were never that good either, although he made All-Pro with them in 2002 as they were going 4-12. Teams that sign or trade for pro bowl caliber cornerbacks rarely improve after doing so. In fact they seem to fail more often than they succeed, particularly over a period of years after the move. Why? Because there are much better things to do with your time and resources than try to find a shutdown corner. There are four teams left in the NFL playoffs at this point: Green Bay, Dallas, Giants, Patriots. Between them they might have one real shutdown corner in Samuel. They're ranked 6th, 11th, 12th and 13th in passing defense. You could look it up.
How come good quarterbacks like Carson Palmer, Drew Brees Mark Bulger Donovan McNabb Jake Delhomme All had losing records this year? Oh it's because the QB position is just not that important to winning a championship.
You mean San Diego? Dallas was eliminated. And yeah your right, Al Harris, Charles Woodson, Terrance Newman, Antonio Cromartie, Quinten Jammer, and Drayton Florence are all chopped liver.
This is soo wrong on so many levels first, Dallas isnt in the playoffs San deigo is. Samuel and i would consider Cromartie in there two leading the league in ints is no small fet. Also, one of the reasons GB is so good this year is because they have two very good physical corners. The only team the is still in the playoffs that you could argue doesn't have above average secondary is the gmen but they have such a good pass rush that they dont have to.
Rolle is definitely a shutdown corner. He's the guy the Cardinals leave out there alone when they're blitzing and he gets the job done most of the time. He'll be one of the top 3 or 4 corners in the league in a season's time if he stays healthy. If CB's don't win games then they are not a top 5 commodity in the NFL these days. But that's what I was intent on highlighting with the list. QB's, LT's, DE's, RB's and WR's. That's what the draft says are the top 5 commodities, *based on how teams actually draft when they are picking 1 to 5*. You and i can argue this back and forth, but the draft record itself is a clear indicator of where people who actually draft talent for a living think the value is. Recently, in the last several seasons, the NFL has actually decided that safeties are more valuable than cornerbacks. You could look that one up also.
Wow, i'll help Palmer- Bad Defense, no O-Line, no one cared Brees- Slow start, D-Line blew, Payton's Bad sophomore season Bulger- Hurt all year McNabb- Offense completely sucked, and he was hurt Delhomme- Carolina went through 5 QBs like we did in 05
You're right on San Diego, that makes it the 6th, 11th, 12th and 14th teams, not 13th. A great pass defense is not what promoted teams to the final 4 this year. As to Cromartie, he had a great year, but shutdown corners do not get thrown at enough to get double-digit INT's. He only began starting halfway through the year. Maybe he'll turn into a shutdown corner but what he is right now is an opportunistic kid who made the most of his chances. Nothing wrong with that.
There are no shutdown corners in that group. Newman comes the closest but Parcells has it right: he's a good corner who thrives off of the Dallas pash rush. I like Jammer a lot but he is 6 years in the league and no pro bowls to show for it. That kind of makes the shutdown corner argument moot. Edit: Charles Woodson was a shutdown corner with the Raiders until he broke his leg. He lost a step right after that.
Dude you are reaching in a bad way. Seattle, Green Bay, San Diego, New England, Pittsburgh all had good to great pass defenses. Just give it up already.
Now we're relying on "your" definition of a shutdown corner. Ty Law, Chris McAlister, and Antrell Rolle are shutdown corners, but Terrance Newman, Quinten Jammer, and Cromartie are not.
Yea...no...I'm guessing you saw his two big game highlights...but those are probably the only two good games of the guys career. Rolle, unlike Revis (who was a very similar prospect IMO) has never adjusted to the pro rules. He was a very physical college corner, and hasn't gotten away from that in a day when CBs just can't be as physical as they used to. Do LT's win games? Cause they're paid like they are. How does a good CB not help win games? Because I chose to read your whole post before writing mine I'm not even going to reply to this. Even if this is true, it doesn't mean much to me. Not that it is true...now that teams are going with two back systems RBs are quickly losing their value and see the most draft day falls. This isn't an argument. This is a you-make-shit-up and I fruitlessly reply knowing full well you'll just ignore most of it, pick a sentence, and make up more stuff. Or I can call bullshit because I already did the research. Stop. Maknig. Shit. Up. It's annoying. You don't even bother to back it up...you just keep repeating it like it's true. Safeties are definitely rising in value, but after that you're just making stuff up.
This is the same thing we're going to be saying next offseason as well, 'Hopefully we can build the lines up this offseason'. Hiring a new OL coach is going to bring in new philosophies and we're going to have at least 2 new starters on the O-line that will probably have never been on the team before and they'll take a while to get adjusted, a new DC that is going to adjust the schemes and hopefully be able to scheme around the D-line's deficiencies. You can't build the lines on the fly and that's what these guys have been doing for years. The drafting of Brick and Mangold was great, but you can't take a break to at a critical point like last offseason to put all of your chips on the table with 2 picks, no matter how well the players are scouted, because the lines take up a huge chunk of your roster spots and they are always a work in progress.
Well Ty Law and Chris McAlister are not my definition of a shutdown corner, they are everybody's definition of a shutdown corner. Rolle is my pick to join them based on his play this year and last. Terrance Newman is not considered a shutdown corner by the NFL, just a good one. Do a quick Google for Terrence Newman shutdown corner and then go enjoy all the Dallas Cowboys blogs... Jammer clearly is not a shutdown corner since shutdown corners go to pro bowls and he has not been there yet. Cromartie? Well, who knows. We'll see if teams are still throwing at him next year like they were this year. He got selected as a reserve at the pro bowl and maybe he will turn out to be a shitdown corner yet.
Wow...and surprise we have more made up sh*t: 1. It's cool for a CB to be good with a pass rush because it's a FOOTBALL TEAM. 2. Newman had his worst season this year because of injuries. He's been a shut down guy even while Dallas' pass rush sucked. 3. Woodson just had a damn good season. 4. Who cares about Pro Bowls? The funniest part of all this is this all goes back to Revis...who kicked ass WITHOUT any semblance of a pass rush here...
If I respected you more I'd go do the list to help educate you. If you respected yourself you wouldn't post stuff like this without doing the list first.
So the pro bowl decides who is a shutdown corner or not? Roy Williams made the pro bowl so I guess he's one of the best safeties huh NO ONE thinks that Ty Law is still a shutdown corner... except you apparently. You are reaching
