You guys are such whiners...we can sign Samuels AND get a pass rush in the same offseason. We would have to throw alot of money at the guy, but who cares? The pats offered a ton of money to Adalius Thomas even though he was nearly 30 years old. Signing big free agents is a good thing as long as your franchise keeps drafting well.
You guys act like this would be all we'd do. I'm sure we would do other things besides getting Samuel.
No he wouldn't kill the cap alone, but he'd take a big cut of it. And then your paying the #6 overall pick a lot of money, and then your signing the other draft picks, and then your signing FA OL and DL at top dollar, and then your re-signing players... now you are close to have no cap space because we want to fix everything in one year. Forget Samuel, he's not the answer to our problems.
I think Jets fans have become so familiar with mediocrity, they don't realize an intelligent front office can fill multiple holes, have great players at multiple positions, AND still have room under the cap. Of course you go after Samuel. After we sign him we'll still have $20M+ in cap space and the draft to come. It's just so funny that some fans think if you spend a lot of money on a CB you can't fix the OL, DL, or pass-rush in the same off-season and keep the total under the cap.
As long as we have enough money to get some O-Linemen in FA or something, I would like this move. We need to get some O-linemen though. Dont care if its in the draft or FA, thats the biggest need.
How much cap room do we have-- i'm under the impression we have 15 Mil this year.. do we have more than that? EDIT: ok, did research-- we are 27.72M under the cap. Signing Samuel can put us at 20M, draft, re-signings, FA, put us approx at i'd say 12-15M-- thats do-able... but with each year the salary for a player grows. Tanny is a cap specialist, let him figure it out.
And while I think its a smart idea to bring in players that they are familiar with, I think it would be a terrible move if the Jets make this splash, and thats it. If the Jets in addition to Samuel decide to dig into our very packed wallet, and free spend on some key FAs, or maybe make a move for a Suggs or Haynesworth, then it might be worth making. My point is, its pointless to attempt to patch up one hole in a flat tire, when we obviously have another elsewhere ( actually 2 or 3). The Samuel patch by itself wont fix the tire itself.
sign samuel, draft gholston....rest of offseason should be concentrated on offensive and defensive line
It's very hard to OPPOSE adding a very high quality corner, but we, as Jet fans, better hope this isn't the FO's only big move this offseason, as there are much larger areas of concern than the secondary with this team...
I wouldn't do it, but some of you guys posts are hilarious. You make it sound like signing Samuel means giving up on acquiring any players to fill our other holes. He'll command top dollar, but we will still have the means to get the lineman we need if we play our cards right. As to why I don't want to sign him, I think resigning rhodes should be our bigger priority for the secondary. And presuming rhodes does get top 5 safety money and we sign samuel, we would be dedicating a rather large % of our cap to the secondary, which we all know cannot perform too its potential until we get better at attacking the qb. And I can't bank on Gholston being the cure all in that department...we may not even be in position to draft the guy if his stock soars at the combine. That being said, I wouldn't lose any sleep over bringing him in. I'm so used to the jets pursuing backups and no names to the point where signing a marquee FA for any position (OL,LB,CB...you name it) would be a nice change of pace.
The issue is this FO's (and really the Jets FO in general throughout the team's recent history) tendecy to make one or zero big moves in the offseason and then try to fill the rest of the holes with scrubs... Last offseason it was the Thomas Jones trade, which, to me, would be very similar to a Samuel signing if it is not complimented by the acquisition of good talent in a lot of other spots. RB was a position of need, but it is very hard to run behind a mediocre OL. CB is a moderate position of need, but it is very hard for CBs to perform at their highest level without a pass-rush, and when the defense as a whole cannot stop the run... It doesn't matter who you have back there, leave them on an island too long, and they're going to get beat. Just as last offseason we NEEDED OL help (and we still do) this offseason we NEED a passrusher and a NT. If we make one big splash in FA with Samuel, and then ignore the other needs, or try to fill them with career backups and role players, we will be very sorry..
I am completely in the dark as to what the Jets salary cap situation is for the next 2 to 3 years, so it's hard to assess whether it would be a good move or not without knowing that or what Samuel is going to be looking for. I suspect that the jets are going to enter the fray just to drive up the price of Samuel....but I don't think the Pats plan on keeping him anyway. This will make a good off season topic, but for now, it's all just wild speculation.
I don't buy it. I can see the logic behind trying to get him, but I think we are still way off in other areas. I look at Samuel as one of the last pieces of the puzzle rather than the first. I think he would erode too much cap and put a strain on things money-wise down the road. What would happen if we could not lock up Rhodes, and later on Revis, because of what we did with Samuel?
