Did he use steroids? (1/10/08)

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Do you think Roger Clemens used steroids?

  1. Yes, I'm convinced he did steroids

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  2. No, there's no proof that he did steroids

    4.1%
  3. I think he did them, but I have no proof

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  4. I'm not going to make a judgment yet.

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  1. AlioTheFool

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    I'd like to hear that. Hopefully I'll see it tonight. That's really the thing that irks me as well.

    Am I pissed off at the athletes who cheated to get ahead? Of course.

    However, I'm a lot more pissed off that these owners and the union worked together to get steroids into the locker rooms, pressured these players to do them to get ahead, and now are taking advantage of the fact that the players are the ones answering all the inquiries.

    At some point, Selig and Fehr are going to have to pay the Piper. I, for one, cannot wait to see it.
     
  2. Jetfanmack

    Jetfanmack haz chilens?

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    That would be fantastic. I would love to see Selig under oath. I do think that he may have been victimized by the strength of the players' union, but I would love to hear him under oath.
     
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    Mutually exclusive statements, no matter how you slice it.
     
  4. Jetfanmack

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    Whether or not you think Clemens did steroids, McNamee's case has holes in it, and he has very little credibility.

    Watching this as someone who hasn't made up his mind yet (I think Clemens probably did it, but I think most players did stuff), I've seen both cases get knocked down severely. Clemens has done everything an innocent man would do to clear his name. He's also done many things a guilty man would do to clear his name.
     
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    And if Roger were truly innocent, he would be directing a good bit of ire at the MLBPA and ownership for allowing such a pervasive problem to go on, while "innocent" stars get carried down with the ship.

    I really had higher hopes for these hearings. I find shocking the sycophantic conduct of a handful of congressmen and women. Eleanor Norton: "Mr. Clemens, may I say that you're surely going to heaven." :rolleyes:
     
  6. SixFeetDeep

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    Yeah the only thing this testimony has proved to me is how big of a sketchball McNamee is.
     
  7. ShadeTree#55

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    He gave 3 guys steroids, 2 of the 3 said he was telling the truth. Hmmm

    Clemens made a point to invite the nanny over his house before giving the committee her contact information? Hmmm
     
  8. SixFeetDeep

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    Well the original report was conducted by a sycophantic (former) senator. :rolleyes:
     
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    Except that most, if not all, of the "lies" attributed to Brian McNamee work to the BENEFIT of players like Clemens. Representative Burton, whom I've always considered a horse's ass regardless of his party affiliation, went through an "AHAH!!" line of questioning to paint McNamee as a habitual liar, failing to point out that the half-truths and lies McNamee told were examples of holding back information because the whole truth looked even worse for Roger.

    Of the people who acquitted themselves well, I'd say Rep. Waxman (and I can't believe I'm saying that), Rep. Cummings, Rep. Lynch, and Rep. Souder were the class of the hearing.
     
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    Not my favorite person either, except that I think you've thieved the wrong word for whatever point you're trying to make.
     
  11. SixFeetDeep

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    A sycophant is a servile person who, acting in their own self interest, attempts to win favor by flattering one or more influential people, with an undertone that this is at the cost of their own personal pride, principles, and peer respect.


    definatley not a great adjective for Mitchell, but certainly describes one of his finer attributes. :rolleyes:
     
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    Maybe Clemens is just a better lier, but his testimony is more convincing than McNamee's to me.
     
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    lol Clemens just said he doesn't know what a "Vegan" is.....
     
  14. Jetcane

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    Yup

    :pats_suck:
     
  15. Yisman

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    I turned on Sports Radio 610 expecting to hear Jim Rome. Instead, I hear someone with a Southern accent asking Mr. McNamee a question.
     
  16. Yisman

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    there's no way Clemens is clean.

    Canseco didn't get every player who used steroids when he was playing. He talked mainly about teammates he says he knew were juicing.
     
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    I didn't say he was clean. I said there was a chance.

    As for Canseco, I just find it very curious that he, of all people, never had so much as a conversation with Clemens about steroids while they both played for the Yankees.
     
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    No chance. Not with what I've heard from Clemens, Pettitte and McNamee.

    Did you hear Clemens evading the questions? Wow.
     
  20. Yisman

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    he's fighting with her!

    "you've had your five minutes!"
     

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