We're stuck with Sutton, huh?

Sutton is just a filler, ala Crennel, Mangini, at NE

 

Mangini is really the D Cordinator , Sutton's just got the Title dont let them fool ya.

 

No one available to replace Sutton so he stayed on. Better we have a body in the DC spot than a empty chair although in Sutton's case, you'd be hard pressed to make the distinction..

 

Does anybody actually know anything about Sutton? Or is the assumption that he's a nobody that does nothing come from the fact that few (if any) seem to know anything about him?

 

Let's see how he does with a real NT. The Jets defense was very good at the end of both seasons under Sutton, and that is without the NT.

 

If the Defense plays great this year Sutton will stay or go elsewhere as an upgrade?

If the Defense does not play up to standards then Sutton will be no more.

 

sutton just needs to be alittle more aggressive, and trust the players. I think after we got torched by the pats ,in the first game he kinda lost his balls and wouldnt blitz. Then teams just ran us over because the offense left them on the field alot longer than they should have been.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if shit ain't done going down in Oaktown. Ryan might sstill shake free.

 

The improvement towards season's end definitely saved his job. But in all fairness most would probably be hard pressed to succeed under the circumstances he was in. Hopefully the addition of Pace and Jenkins plus D-players taken in the draft would give Sutton more to play with.

 

What saved his job was that Bob Ryan can not get away from that dysfunctional mess he is stuck in and Rex Ryan is a fixture in Baltimore.

The problem is nobody knows is the mid season adjustment was because of Sutton or Mangini finally being hands on. Fact remains he was in some degree responsible so hopefully the defense can continue on their current tack. If Jenkins and Pace work out or even moderately improve on the players they are replacing (that is a given imo) then his job theoretically will be much easier.

 

Here's about Sutton:

"Sutton fielded three new full-time starting LBs in 2004 (Eric Barton, Victor Hobson and Jonathan Vilma) who combined for 297 tackles, 4.5 sacks, nine PD and five interceptions. His group helped the Jets’ defense finish fourth in the NFL in points allowed with 261 and fifth vs. the run holding, opponents to 97.9 yards per game. With his tutelage, Vilma became only the third Jet to be voted AP's NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year after finishing the season with 118 tackles, two sacks, three QB pressures, four PD, one FF, one FR and three INT.

In 2003, Sutton’s group finished with 465 tackles, four sacks, and 15 PD, helping to hold opponents to 18.7 points per game, eighth in the NFL. In 2002, the Jets’ defensive turnaround came during the team’s final 10 regular-season games, during which the defense gave up an average of 91.8 rushing yards despite facing some of the NFL’s best backs in Ricky Williams, Clinton Portis, Ahman Green, Charlie Garner, LaDainian Tomlinson and Travis Henry. In the 41-0 wild-card playoff victory over Indianapolis, Sutton’s linebackers contributed 15 tackles and one INT to help the Jets achieve the second-most-lopsided shutout in NFL postseason history.

In 2001, the Jets were the only NFL team to place three LBs in the top 25 in tackles. His group was responsible for 383 total tackles, five sacks, six INTs, 16 PDs, seven FFs, three FRs and one TD. In his first year with the Jets in 2000, Sutton oversaw a 3-4 defense that was led consistently by play from Marvin Jones’ team-high 135 tackles and Mo Lewis' team-high 10 sacks, which helped earn Lewis his third consecutive Pro Bowl appearance. The coach also had a major hand in the development of rookie DE/LB John Abraham, who had 4.5 sacks through six games before being lost to injury.

Prior to joining the Jets, Sutton spent nine years as the head coach at Army (1991-99) and achieved remarkable success, including guiding the Cadets to just their fourth bowl appearance in school history. His nine seasons placed him second in tenure among all West Point head coaches, trailing legendary Earl "Red" Blaik, who guided the Cadets for 18 seasons. Sutton finished his Army career with a record of 44-54-1 that included five consecutive wins over Navy from 1992-96 to become the first Army coach to win the Commander-in-Chief's Trophy for that long a span. Before becoming the head coach, he was at West Point from 1983-91 as defensive coordinator and helped the Cadets to three bowl games.

 

I can't bring myself to really care. What I do care about is the defense coming out both years flat and empty until the bye week, where presumably the HC gets involved in adjusting the defense so that they are at least presentable.

I would have liked to have seen a change here coaching wise, but if they cannot get the person they want then I can see them keeping the status quo. In any event, Sutton now has even more tools this coming year and less of an excuse for our defense to look as crap bad as they did in the first half of this past season.

 

His defensive unit played flat until mid season. Once Mangini got involved, that unit seemed to turn it around. The only reason why he's here, as was stated, is because neither Ryan was available and Mangini didn't want an empty chair on the sideline. Instead, he opted for a cardboard cutout that fronts as the DC while Mangini will most likely run the unit.

 

first: as stated elsewhere, we really have no idea to what extent mangini had in the teams apparant turn around(s). maybe sutton was pushing for something all season and mangini finally gave in.

second: assuming mangini really did cause the turnaround, then sutton has been schooled by mangini for two consecutive seasons, and can only be smarter because of it. perhaps sutton will instill the mangini concepts from day one, instead of from mid season.

hell, even i could coach the d with rhodes, revis, jenkins, harris, and pace.

 

You need consistancy and patience something us Jet fans have neither of. But give Sutton a chance. We had the worst players ever to play a 3-4. Now that they are filling the gaps let's see what he can do.

 

I've been a harsh critic of Sutton the entire time this regime has been in power. That said, I'm taking a wait and see attitude right now.

The fact is, it doesn't matter how much hotsauce you put on shit, you're still eating shit. We had a lot of shit on D in terms of the scheme the past couple years. We can't blame Sutton for that.

If he has the same slow start this year with these players though, he's toast. I don't give a damn if they are the league's best in the second half. He gets a game or two reprieve for some mistakes, while the players gel together, but if by week 3 we aren't seeing a shut down defense, his ass is grass.

 

1. What did he do with the unit that made them flat?

2. What did Mangini do to change it?

3. How do we even know Mangini got involved, because of a few whispers in the paper?

4. Why is basically assumed the guy has nothing to do with the D?

5. We all know Mangini wants Rob Ryan, but I've never heard any real rumors that Mangini is unhappy with his coordinators or anything like that.

I'm not saying Sutton is actually a good DC. Personally, I'd like someone too, but we don't know jack shit about the situation at hand.

 

I was way more disappointed with Shotty then Sutton last year. People were quick to say that Shotty had no OL to work with but the same can be said for Sutton. He had no NT or pass rush last season. Our running plays were so predictable that the announcers would tell viewers when a running play was coming up. Personel can limit your options, but if the announcers can call out the play you can bet the other team sees it coming too.

If the offseason acquisitions pan out then neither has an excuse. I'd put my money on the defense being way better then the offense next season though. At least they've shown some flashes from time to time.

 

i would have to concur with this post, everyone makes it seem like they know exactly what is going on but in reality they have absolutely no idea and take rumors and what they think as the truth.