1. New Stadium factor- If you ever want to find out the agenda of anybody you "FOLLOW THE MONEY". We have a new 1.3 billion dollar stadium to fill and if McFadden is the "homerun, action player" that they are pumping him up to be, he would pack the house. 2. New York Giants Factor- The Jints just won one of the biggest Super Bowl's EVER and the Jets were a dismal 4-12. You've got to make the biggest impact you can so you don’t get smother by the other teams success. Oh, by the way, that very same team is going to be playing in the same stadium you are for some time. If you don’t believe my theory, check out the L.A. Lakers and Clippers. (Hint: Were the Clippers) 3. This team has no identity to speak of since the New York Sack Exchange. No Persona, Personally or Intimidation. McFadden would bring that instantly. And by the way, get off the “He’s got a bad past Stuff”. So did Randy Moss, Warren Sapp (Who we passed on)Dan Marino(Who we all know we passed on) and many others for cream puff nice guys who sucked.
NO I'll be more pissed if we pick McFadden than when we picked D'Brick. We have a chance to make our defense ELITE with this #6 pick, don't burn it on a position we don't need.
I'm sorry Rob but this is also about needing to be a marketable team in a biggest market in America. Remember what I said "Follow the Money" We are the Clippers in a Lakers City.
Who the heck did you want us to pick over Brick? he was clearly the best player available and filled the biggest need? If we pick DMAC, it's b/c the draft plays out like many of us believe it will, andhe's the best player available at 6.
Intangible reasons to you but this is a buisness first sport, if you spent all this money on free agents and current stars, YOU WANT A RETURN ON YOU IVESTMENT, PERIOD. Simply economoics. New stadium, New Practice Facility. Trust me Woody's no fool, He want's to make money and McFadden brings that to the table. Don't think like a fan, think like an investor looking for his return.
Or think like a coach looking to improve his football team... McFadden might/should bring all of those things, but almost anyone we pick at 6 can do that. Long would give us that blond haired, blue eyed guy with a blue collar attitude. You know how easy that is to market to Tri-State area football fans? Gholston would bring an explosive pass rusher. Another very easy thing to market. Mendenhall brings power, speed, shiftiness, and versatility to a team with a brand new OL and could do everything McFadden could do intangible wise. Jake Long could be marketed the same exact way and we could then run a whole campaign on the dominant OL of the New Look Jets. Draft McKlevin and we can instantly boast about our ridiculously talented young secondary. If they do the dumb thing and draft Ryan...well the media will take of that one... In the end, I wan the best player not the guy going to get me the most money. Almost all of these guys will get us money if they're as good as advertised. McFadden might just be able to do it from Day 1 because even some casual fans know his name.
So if you think like a coach, are you saying that McFadden "Hurts" your team. Or put it this way, does McFadden have "Less" ability or talent than the rest of the players you just metioned or would he have "less" impact on this team if he were drafted. Cowboys don't need a running back but don't you think that Jerry Jones would sell his own mother to get DMC. (Come to think of it, maybe it's a coicedence but isn't he building a new stadium, too.)
1. The House may not be always packed, but its paid for- for a long long time. But Merch and Concessions are still places to earn revenue so yes DMC adds to that perspective. 2. Competing with the Giants isn't a total need for the flashy player. We as fans are the only ones going to hear about how our cooler, more awesome roommate gets the hotter girls and is a winner at life... metaphorically speaking. 3. The difference about Moss, Sapp, and Marino is that they made bad choices but learned from them and were articulate enough to make everyone understand that they are more mature going into the NFL than leaving college. Moss, Sapp, and Marino are actually smart people... maybe not Marino but he's close... DMC is a moron, and i fear he'll repeat his dumb offenses more than once.... so the identity he may give us is a negative one, that must be offset by an amazing career. The reason to draft him is more or less to score TDs. We don't have a TD machine on this team, and thats really all that is missing... If we don't draft him, i'd like a sack machine instead. It's like a Christmas gift list.
Taken from his Rookie Scouting Profile (these are the same guys that predicted ahmad bradshaw as a deep sleeper last year and never doubted adrian peterson as a pro): Darren McFadden, Arkansas: McFadden might be the most difficult player I have evaluated for an RSP. His speed and acceleration are better than all but one back in this class. He also played productively during his career while coming off toe surgery and dealing with bruised ribs. When McFadden can run a play as designed, he can break it open for huge gains because of his elite speed. Although he doesn’t make strong lateral moves, he has the ability to bend a run in a direction while running at a high speed. This is a rare ability, but it is still not as effective against a defense as a runner with sharp changes of direction. The problem is this former QB repeatedly demonstrated noticeable deficiencies that I believe will prevent him from making a consistent impact as an NFL runner: falling backward when making direct contact against first and second level defenders because he runs with poor leverage; the tendency for his legs to go dead upon the initial wrap-up; lacking the ability to change direction with a hard plant and cut; impatience with his blockers; and poor ball protection techniques. Many people have compared McFadden to Eric Dickerson or Adrian Peterson, but the only thing McFadden currently shares with these two backs is his speed. McFadden’s power is actually something worth calling into question. I am not skeptical of his strength and athleticism. He has plenty of both to be an elite NFL running back. The problem is his knowledge of how to use it. Any type of power you generate when it comes to delivering or deflecting a blow comes from the legs and hips. Not only do these body parts have to be strong, but they also need to be positioned well to transfer energy from your body to your target. They explain this in more detail on shows that study the physics of martial arts—for example, National Geographic did a special where they hooked up UFC fighters like Randy Couture to sensors that measure force and flow of energy throughout the body. I know it seems a bit like a jump to apply this to a running back, but its not. Think about a runner heading through the line of scrimmage and they are come face to face with a DT, LB, or DB greeting them head-on. If the runner’s hips and knees are bent then his shoulders will have to be leaning forward so he can explode into the contact. When he makes contact, the energy transfers from his legs in the ground, up his hips, and to the point of contact with the defender. A great runner has learned through a combination of repetition and intuitive assimilation of practice and game situations (natural talent) how to subtly change the angle of contact in close quarters and deliver enough of a blow to at least "shed" the tackle, if not just knock guy on his butt. This is why a back such as Eddie George who "ran too high" coming out of college actually was a good NFL player. He was taller than the average back, but he knew how to lower his shoulders and bend his knees and hips so more times than not he exploded into contact. The same can be said with Eric Dickerson. Most people remember his "upright" running style, but if you watch highlights that don't involve him running through creases untouched for 40- 60 yards and looking like Carl Lewis in pads, you'll see a guy who could get low very quick and deliver a blow with his shoulders into contact. Adrian Peterson is capable of the same thing. I never once worried about his upright running style. The guy has monstrously great balance. When I first thought about comparisons to Peterson vs. McFadden I would watch how McFadden would get yanked out of bounds by the arm a hit to the hips, or a horse collar and see right away from the standpoint of balance Peterson is uniquely different--he stayed in bounds on plays like this all the time (which is what is one of quite a few things special about his skills). But this also has to do with hip and leg alignment and good use of his strength. 17 When I see McFadden in the hole he gets yanked backwards more than many backs (even compared to 6-0, 200-lb Felix Smith) in the hole or knocked down on is butt from head-on hits because his knee bend and hip bend is just not there. How can you tell? Look at his shoulders. A back like George or Dickerson often ran as if their shoulders were a big hand on a clock pointed to the number 2 or at worst between the number 1 and number 2. A back like McFadden is somewhere between the 12 and 1 and never quite at 1. It's why when he gets hit in the hole he'll fall backwards more than the average NFL-quality prospect. A back like Edgerrin James, who is unbelievably good at getting low, often gets closer to the number 3 position with his shoulder lean as he is still running forward. You can't do this unless your hips and knees are bent. It is not to say that McFadden never lowered his shoulders, but it was generally done in the open field with a significant running start against a defensive back. To his credit, he will break some long runs as a situational back because he showed the ability to run the designed offensive plays at Arkansas to perfection. Arkansas did a terrific job tailoring an offense around McFadden and Felix Jones by forcing defenses to overplay one and get burned by the other. SEC defenses have some of the best athletes in the country, especially on defense. But these fast athletes are used in highly aggressive defenses and they are susceptible to a glorified counter play with play action that will force them out of position when that play fake goes to an elite athlete in Jones. The problems with McFadden show up when he had a reasonably normal freelance opportunity and he didn’t possess the vision or patience to allow these normal alternatives to develop. I’ve heard McFadden can catch, but after watching six games over a two-year period, I saw a runner who dropped easy passes on a consistent basis. Robert Meachem caught a lot of passes in workouts last year with his hands, but struggled as a rookie in game situations. Once again, this is why game film is invaluable in telling how a player does when the pads come on, the fans are screaming, and the veterans are playing with a speed an intensity they’ve never seen before. Like Reggie Bush, McFadden will learn that his speed isn’t as much of an advantage in the NFL as it is in college football. Speaking of Bush, I was very high on the USC back and still believe he has the skills to live up to the hype if he can stay healthy and stop pressing so hard to make the big play. In contrast, I think McFadden is more of a project that can develop into a franchise back if he corrects some serious deficiencies and works his butt off to do so. Unfortunately, he hasn’t shown the maturity off the field and football has come rather easy to him. Having kids out of wedlock or some college bar fights doesn’t make him a hardened criminal, but I believe the odds are against him to take his work ethic to the level of a Ladainian Tomlinson or Peyton Manning. And McFadden needs to work this hard to make the jump or he will most likely disappoint. The one way I could see how his evaluation is off base is if McFadden’s injuries severely altered his running style and he was generally cruising off his incredible speed, but I’m skeptical this is the case. My best overall grade of McFadden indicates he clearly has the talent to contribute in the NFL, but needs a lot of work to be the primary offensive weapon.
I higly doubt that the people running the draft for the Jets care about any of those issues. If the pick McFadden, its because they belive he will have the biggest impact on our football team over all they other remaining players. Mangini is not going into player interviews looking to see if a guy can sell hot dogs. He wants to find a hell of a football player.
Sounds like that scouting report lists all things that are very coachable. Not unlike how Tiki Barber always carried the ball too low before he learned to carry it high and avoid fumbles.
1. This is football, not baseball. The stadium is packed every home game already and will be for the forseeable future. There are tens of thousands on the wait list to get tickets. Even if you credit your argument, winning sells. Ask any Lions' fan whether they would have rather paid money in the 90s to see Sanders run or to see a contending team. To a man or woman, they would take the latter. 2. Who gives a rats tail about the Giants. The Jets have shared this market with the Giants for their entire history and have shared a stadium since 1984. Do you think the Jet brass sits in the war room and says, "Well, we could draft this stud lineman, but the fans in the NYC area will be bored with that, so let's draft this potentially flashy skill player so we can play exciting football and steal fans from the Giants." Besides, see point #1. Neither team is wanting for fans or ticket sales. Again, you sound like Steinbrenner and not a football owner. 3. This identity stuff is the biggest bunch of crap I have ever heard of. Winning gives a team an identity. So does a stellar defense. Of the three players you named, only one remained with the team that drafted him and there is one ring among the three. The key is winning and you win by drafting the best players. You don't worry about other teams or stadiums or identities. You draft football players. Period. I personnally hope McFadden goes to Oakland because I want no part of him. I would much rather have Gholston or even Harvey and develop a pass rush that has been missing for many years. By the way, in the 80's when you say the Jets last had an identity, the Jets had a pretty good RB in McNeil. But it was the DL that gave the team an "identity."
absolute dumbest reasons to ever draft a player. one player is not going to pack the house, make us better than the giants, or give us an identity as a team. winning is. we will draft the player who they think will most help us to win.
The fact that you compared the Buffalo Market to the NY/NJ/CT Market makes me question how informed you really are. Go look up why if we tank for 10 years straight why we will still sell out. Sports Economics 101 Understand that if a coach, GM, or ANY football executive listens to the media they will be fired on the spot, then tarred and feathered- on principal. You are too much of a fan with that thinking. Reggie Bush should go #1 OMG..... Mario Williams. Media influences sports executives? Good christ no... thanks for playing. Freeman was an All-Pro and made the pro bowl more than once. Injuries cut short what would have been a fantastic career.... I never saw him play and I know that.
You're right. Winning is the cure, not any one rookie. If we were bringing in Brett Favre to play QB, then you could say it's a marketing thing. But these are rookies. If McFadden is a bust and the Jets suck again, no one will care how much he was hyped up, and people won't show up. If McFadden is good and the Jets suck again, people still won't show up.
