Of course I'd love to be in their shoes. This will all blow over. The Yankees dynasty was at the height of steroid use, and I don't care.
There's like 20 other championships to go with the Yankees. The Patriots got all of theirs while cheating.
That wasn't the intent of my the thread. I wasn't wondering how fantastic life would've been for us if he stayed. The point was, would the attention/ridicule that the Pat's organization and fans are dealing with be worth the Super Bowls. I still say no and I'm not lying about that. For me it would be like ripping people off of their life savings and getting filthy rich. I'd be rich for sure, but a scumbag for doing it.
I'm not old enough to have seen/remember any of the other ones, so they don't have any emotional significance. Even if the Patriots had one a few SBs in the 70's, to a lot of fans, these would be the only meaningful ones.
It's kind of like George Jung got his moment in the sun, but now he's been in jail for the majority of his life. He'll get out soon, but while he's been in, no one cared how cool his life was, and once he gets out it's not like he can go back to it. Or if your dad was your idol when you were younger, and then you found out he often hit your mom. They can't brag. Other fans will just reply "Eat horse shit, they cheated." And they will subsequently either shut up or futilessly try to argue.
your forgetting that the free agents they signed, and trading for r.moss probaly doesnt happen if they dont cheat, also dont forget about the ridiculous, bullshit tuck rule, which started this bogus dynasty
my answer to the question is no, how could i enjoy it, besides we will get another one, and it will be the right way
Hell yes!!!! Who says winning ins't everything is a fool. Second play is nothing but first loser. Give us the controversy and all the SB rings. They worked in the grey areas and finally got caught, so what, they lose a single draft pick. Every team in every sport tries to push the limits of the rule book. You all are just to bitter, to realize the trueth. I'm mad at our coaches for never figuing out to do it first.
This is a very difficult question for me to answer. Unlike many on this board, I am not a Yankees fan. I am not a Rangers fan. I have never seen any of my favorite teams win a championship in any sport. As much as I would like to play the idealist and claim that I would rather have no title than a tainted one, I can't honestly say that I wouldn't want to win the SuperBowl. Even though the championships are tainted, as one poster put it: I know it comes with such a caveat, but it hardly seems that New England fans feel cheated these days. I'd like to think I would feel bad about it afterwards, but I'm not so sure I can even go that far.
I'm originally from Massachusetts so I know how Boston fans think and react. A. They think they team is the best no matter how bad they really are and they will let you know B. If the teams are actually good, they will let you know to the extent it becomes annoying (and not very politely) C. They will hate you as a person for liking an opposing rival. If your a yankee/jets/giants/rangers/knicks fan and they find out, get ready for a fight or at minimum real personal shit talk. D (and my favorite). If something unfortunate occurs against their teams, say losing in the playoffs or spygate and you confront them, you'll either get a "yea whatever" or be completely ignored. Boston fans are truly assholes when it comes to sports.
I think they were the only team to use methods like that at the magnitude that they used them. I'm sure other teams did it, but not as arrogantly continuously or without regard for consequences. And certainly not with as much effectiveness.
c'mon man...don't you think that just maybe the reason the league wants this to blow over is because a deeper investigation would show that it's more widespread than anyone knows. Kinda like baseball and steroids.
I'm not sure but I'd bet they were the only one to keep taping after the league sent out it's memo and after the Pats got caught originally. Walsh was working for the Pats from around '96 and he said the first time he taped signals was 2000 so maybe it wasn't as widespread as some people think? I think every team tries to bend the rules to gain advantages but I'm not sure most teams go through theose types of methods.
They are the only ones to get caught and fined, suggesting any other teams did this is pure speculation, and that is not the case with steroids and baseball.
cheating is a horse of many colors. when a d-lineman holds an oponets jersey he is breaking the rules, thus cheating. a few holds are caught and the team assest a penalty, much like the pats when they got caught 'holding' a camcorder. id take the sb wins and the cheating scandle that came with them, and point out that the other team got caught 'cheating' as many times as they got penalized during the game.
