First of all, read what I said in the Falcons thread. Critical, yes. Bashing? No. If I started a thread criticizing D'Brickashaw Ferguson, I would not be able to count to five before a slew of Jet fans invoked the name of Robert Gallery, and you know it. What's the difference? So please spare me the "staying on topic" lecture and mind your own panties because I wear boxers.
Yes, and those posters are homers. Do you want to be a homer as well? If Ferguson turns out to be a bust I'll accept it and move on. No need to drag anyone else through the mud.
Thanks. Let me point out that I haven't come here to dispute the idea that the Raiders suck. That's a fact. But if I happen to point out that the Jets suck too (and as of right now they do) all hell breaks loose. If I see something posted about the Raiders that is blatantly false, I will step in. If there's a whole thread based on the premise that JaMarcus is 300 pounds and lazy and I know it's not true, i will point it out with quotes and links to back me up. For some reason that bothers some people. Earlier in this thread some guy commented about how the Raiders O line sucks. I provided stats showing how they were superior the the Jets' offensive line in 4 key categories. It was based in fact. I was treated to a comeback about how stats are 'meaningless" and a not funny "you're gonna get raped" picture. I love arguing football but I'm not the one dragging down the level of discourse around here.
Do you really not get it? Try this for perpective... Ted Washington- 6'5" 370. Kris Jenkins - 6'4" 360.... Does it make sense now?
Ummm, no I would not. Actually Coles had more receptions and more Yards in 06 J-Co was a 3rd wr and had 82rec 961 yds and 6TDS How is it a fallacy he had only 1 good season? J-Co was a #2 WR last year and had more yards and Rec than Walker did in 06. And J-co had a horrible team.
Yes and no. Washington has made his whole career as a space eating blob from day 1. He's the rare guy who has lasted a long time doing that. Jenkins did not come into the league as a space eating blob. He was a very large but not fat guy who could move and make plays in a 1 gap scheme. In the past couple of years he has gotten a little banged up, gained weight, and not been quite as effective as he was earlier in his career. I think he could be an effective and durable 2 gapper at a heavier weight, but it's not a gimme.
So in your world 1000 yards, almost 16 yards per catch and 8 TDs does not constitute a good season? On a team that's known for running the ball?
You said he only had 1 good season. I argued he's had more than one. Then you said the highlighted bit above. Looked to me like you were saying he's only had one good season...
You actually think thats the production your going to get out of Walker this year... If that was the case... he'd still be in Denver. You'll be lucky to see 750 yards and 4 TD's out of him this year. I love how you skew your stats to fit your argument The Raiders let up a dozen fewer sacks than the Jets (41 to 53). The Raiders' sack percentage was better than the Jets' (8.3 to 9.4). Total PA's - Raiders - 451 Total PA's - Jets - 512 So with a line as bad as ours, we still were able to throw the ball more effectively than the Raiders and in ruffly 60 more atttemts, gave up 12 more sacks. So we threw the ball more often that you... also evidenced by our 1130 yard reciever, something you did not see in Oakland last year. The Raiders outrushed the Jets by 385 yards (2086 to 1701). The Raiders averaged 4.1 yards per carry compared to 3.8 for the Jets. Total RA - Raiders - 508 Total RA - Jets - 446 You also ran the ball ruffly 60 more times than we did, so I would expect that you would most likely outrush the Jets, mostly because of your lack of ANY passing attack no matter who was behind center. Basically taking into account these stats for 2007... you are comparing 2 steaming piles of shit and trying to decide which one stinks worse. Both offenses were offensive at best... It's widely regarded by people on message boards and in the know around the league, that the Jets have done far more to help themselves this off season than the Raiders did. So go on believing that it's no big deal that Walker is already falling into the lame duck coaches dog house in OTA's. Thats gonna be really helpful for a team coming off a 4 win season.
and yes... he's a Lame duck coach... he'll be fired by week 8 when you have 2 or 3 wins... the carousel continues because of a the crackhead cript creeper getting involved in a game that has passed him by.
That's not exactly true. Jenkins has had weight problems, but he has not had injury issues in the past 2 seasons. He did have an ACL but that was a while ago.
And I get accused of going off topic? "Crackhead owner?" You should hope Woody can have 1/1000 of the impact Al Davis has had on the game and the people who play it. Al has seen his better days but all your owner has shown so far is mediocrity. And pretty soon it will be mediocrity with a hefty PSL, see how you like that.
So an efficient running game comes from a poor passing game? If teams don't have to respect the passing game it's harder to run because they can stack the box! Don't accuse me of skewing stats only to skew them yourself. The sack percentage and average per carry still tell the story even if the Raiders ran more and the Jets passed more. Frankly I'm shocked the Jets gave up that many sacks with Chad taking his short drops and getting rid of the ball the way he does, it's not like they hold the ball forever like the Art Shell Raiders! :grin: By the way, that quote about people on message boards is great! Actually most unbiased reports I have read (meaning those not originating in NY or the Bay Area) suggest that both teams threw a lot of money at their problems and that approach usually doesn't work. Who are these people "in the know" around the league you're referring to?
Equal opportunity! PFT says something nice about Jenkins today: And the San Fran Chronicle says something nice about Walker today:
LOL you know those weight stats are bs GM? If Wilfork weighs 335 then I am Karen Carpenter. He is at the low end of 350 if anything.
Lets wait till training camp before we bury javon Walker. (your words might come back to bite you on the arse) You really expect to see the real Javon walker in OTAs. The big news is he out there (voluntary camps) ,and getting his work in with jamarucus Russell. By the third preseaon game and if the talk is Javon Walker is still struggling than you might have something to gloat about. At the Raiders? OTA today: JaMarcus Russell and Darren McFadden are big time By Tim Kawakami Thursday, May 22nd, 2008 at 4:24 pm in NFL, Raiders. Around this time a year ago, JaMarcus Russell was a few months away from his season being ruined by a summer-long holdout and a long way from being an NFL QB in almost every aspect except pure physical skill. I remember heading out to a Raiders off-season workout (OTA) last June, seeing Russell throw the ball in person for the first time and thinking: YOWZA. Truly Elway-level. I also remember asking Raiders Coach Lane Kiffin back then about Russell and Kiffin pointing out that Russell is a quiet guy, so the leadership thing is going to take some time. Flash forward to today?s OTA, one of several open to the media. It was the first time reporters could see Russell and Darren McFadden on the field together, so I was an automatic. Had to see that. My view: McFadden is an incredible talent, obviously, but I thought Russell was still easily the dominant figure out there. It?s only an OTA. There?s a full training camp to go (Russell?s first as a pro) and lots to learn. But he does look a lot more comfortable out there moving around, conferring with WRs after the play, joking around with Terdell Sands after the workout was over. Although I assume if Terdell wants to joke around with anybody, that?s what you do?Sands and Tommy Kelly are the only two Raider players (possibly the only two humans in California) noticeably bigger than Russell. No doubt, Russell has to immerse himself in the thousand things you need to master as an NFL QB?physical, mental, reads, the whole thing. But I asked Kiffin: Is this a different personality we?re seeing on the field with Russell? ?No doubt. I like that that he hasn?t tried to fake it, (he?s) let it kind of come naturally and then smooth into it,? Kiffin said. ?He did it before he got onto the field. He did it by what he did this off-season, showing up in shape and his weight the way it is, the way he?s working out lifting with the guys. ?We all see this out here, but there?s hours and hours they spend lifting in the weight room together and running and meeting. I think you see the players starting to come alive around him as well.? Russell chatted a lot with new WR Drew Carter and on one play rolled right 15 yards before zipping one to Carter. Another time they missed on a short pass and Russell made sure to go over the route right away with Carter. You never saw Russell do that at any time last year, with any WR. ?Drew?s been here the whole off-season and working with him,? Kiffin said. ?I think you?re starting to see them gell a little bit. They had a really good day yesterday, hooking up in a number of plays. ?I think you guys noticed today? you see the same thing I do: This is not the same JaMarcus we saw a year ago. The way he moves around and the way he?s zipping the ball around and the confidence he?s throwing with. It?s exciting right now.? I didn?t talk much with Russell today. I admit, I was trying to wait and talk to offensive coordinator Greg Knapp as he walked off the field? and stone cold missed him. Never saw him coming off the field. Oops. Saw Marques Tuiasosopo, who may be turning into the New Jeff George?when the Raiders need an extra veteran QB, call Marques! I guess Al still likes the guy after all those years of never letting him get onto the field? Anyway, I was around Russell enough to hear him speak about being on the field with someone as fast as McFadden. ?First day he was here, we ran a play, he was going to the outside and I saw him? then he wasn?t there any more,? Russell said. McFadden and Russell were in the line-up together in a few short-yardage situations and once or twice in the two-minute drill? Assuming McFadden?s rookie season isn?t lost to a hold out, this is going to be a lot different than before.
That's nice and all that. Good luck with it, Joe. NJRaider didn't get the memo that there's any luck to be had. You're one step ahead.
Dude. I know nothing about the Oakland football media and I knew that was a puff piece by the third sentence.
