That's a really bad way to view it because then using your logic every trade is a bad deal for the team getting the player if that team doesn't win the superbowl. So if we don't win the superbowl that means that getting Jenkins was a bad deal as well, which is obviously not the case. Right now it looks as if we got the best of the deal in that we got a probowl quality QB at bargin basement prices. Even if we go to the superbowl and lose we got a hell of a QB for a first round pick. How much would other comparable QB's cost? QB's as good as Favre are practically priceless in the NFL.
I agree with you that we are twice as good with Favre as our QB vs the QB's we had. However it was unacceptable of you and quite frankly childish if you to attack me the way you did. I was just giving everyone my opinion Drew.
I agree with you bro. Favre is "practically priceless", however we got him as he was turning 39. If we don't win a SB with him on our team it will be pretty much worthless to have gotten him. HOWEVER the positives are we will have sold more merchandise (gotten more money for the team) and possibly more fans for the permanent future. About Kris Jenkins: He's younger. I think no matter what happens he was worth it. (yes even if we dont win a SB) Having him on our team increased our D-line by a LOT, and it makes our team more attractive to come to (sign with) long term speaking. After we aquired Brett Favre, we did not aquire anybody else because of that trade. The Kris Jenkins trade will affect this team for years to come. (plus we did not give up a LOT to get him, unlike favre) The Favre trade only affects our playing skills and future for 1 season (2 if we are lucky). It's a bust or boom trade. I hope you understand what I'm saying. I might not make that much sense to you because I have a hard way of communicating sometimes.
Yeah I see what you're saying, and yeah I guess if Favre gets us to the superbowl loses it and then retires then yeah you could view it after the fact as if we wasted a first round pick for a one season player. But I think we need to always put the best team possible on the field and having Favre at QB now gives us the potential to actually get to the SB and possibly win it. We definitely didn't have that potential before with Clemens or Pennington unless Clemens magically became amazing. That potential to win it all is worth a first round pick right now if we win it or not IMO. BTW I think that Favre stays for at least two years, he's doing too good this year to retire after this season.
You are wrong. Favre is so much more than just a Super Bowl or bust guy. And the Packers did not give up NOTHING for a draft pick. Favre wanted to play. They gave up one of the best quarterbacks of all time for a possible 1st round pick and left their team's fortunes to an unproven QB. Currently at 3-3, and with Favre changing the attitudes in Jets land, this is no contest to me.
It doesn't allow to vote "everyone" ... And I would actually include three teams in that option, not two: Jets Packers Phins IMO the only real loser in this ... at this point ... is ... Favre himself.
The Packers were not going to let him start so he was not going to go back there. They got a draft pick for a retired player. While Brett has been great for entertainment value this question will be answered for the Jets by the end of this season or at most the next. If Brett plays only this season then the value of the trade is our record at seasons end. If the season does not include the playoffs, then hands down the pack got the better deal.
why is favre a loser in this? i guess if you wanna say that crappy month when he wanted to come back and the packers said no, and we got see the drama of the possible trade unfold could be made out to be a loss. but unless he is just straight lying to the media about being happy with the jets than i see it as a win for him too. he wanted to play football and he is playing football and also playing very well. jets dont make the playoffs and they get a third round pick i believe. i would give up a third round pick for the excitement and getting to watch a legend play any day of the week. now if the packers use that pick on a qb who someday turns into the next brett favre then maybe ill change my mind. ill take a year or two of one of the best qbs ever to play over unproven 3rd round pick any day. now if they make the playoffs lose and favre retires giving the packers a second round pick your point of view starts to be more reasonable in my mind.
Oh, come on! Yes, of course I'm gonna say that. Do I really have to defend the idea that Brett Favre would have preferred to return to the team that he had been with for 16 years, lead to 13-3 and NFC championsip game, and stay in a city where he has a ton of long-term friends and a support network? If you were paying attention at all in the months of July and August, do you really need any more confirmation about this from Brett than he has already given, 50-fold? Brett is gonna say he loves being here because that's what he should say. And it actually is true to some degree, I bet. If nothing else, he's a lot happier than he thought he might be at first (he's sent plenty of hints about that, by the way, with all the "At first I wasn't sure if I'd made a mistake" comments he made in recent weeks, etc). But being happy here does NOT mean that he would have been happier there. Come on, don't be so dense/blind. In the entire history of the NFL, 100+ years, have you ever seen a player fight harder to stay with a team that didn't want him any more?
No doubt he wanted to be a Packer. I do think he's happy here and maybe a change of scenery has actually reinvigorated him a bit. He seems to be a guy to find the positive in every situation when possible so I'm guessing he's finding plenty of things to be positive about here. One thing he doesn't have to worry about is management trying to push him out the door anymore. That's got to be a load off his chest. To say he's a loser in the deal may be a little overboard. He didn't get what e wanted, but he did get to play football again and seems to be pretty happy. The Packers didn't get exactly what they wanted either, they wanted him to stay retired. The Jets probably would have preferred to trade Pennington so they didn't get exactly what they wanted either.
Seriously? The Packers football organization came out of this smelling as sweet as they possibly could have. They get an extra draft pick next year, probably at least a third & likely a second, for a guy they thought would be retired & they would get no compensation at all for. And they traded him to a team they are very, very unlikely to ever play while he is still active. The only way the "Packers" did not absolutely flat-out win-win in this is in the area of 1) marketing, they can't sell more #4 jerseys, 2) PR for specific individuals, most notably Ted Thompson, if Favre carries the Jets intot he playoffs and ROdgers fizzles/gets hurt and the Packers miss, he is well advised to get inot the FBI witness protection program. But the Packers FOOTBALL team did very, very well here.
I love the favre trade and for this season we are so far winning. But my thing is after this year will he stick around or retire? Now in that case a second round pick or a potential first isn't worth it. Only way a first will be worth it is he wins the superbowl for us then its all worth it. In preseason Ratliff looked good so worst case scenario was that clemens didn't work out we would have went with ratliff.
I don't disagree that they got a good deal. But you had your head in the sand if you don't think they WANTED him to retire. They offered him $20 million to just stay retired. Just as Favre WANTED to play for the Pack, the Pack WANTED Favre to stay retired.
yeah he wanted to stay a packer, but obviously he wanted to play football a lot more than anyone in the packer organization thought. they assumed if they told him he wasnt going to play for the packers he would just stay retired because that was the only team he had ever played for. more important to him than being a packer was just playing football. he got his wish of playing football in the end. is it a loss for him that it isn't with the packers? yeah it is. but obviously it wasn't that big a loss to him or he would have just stayed retired. all i was saying is that i dont see this situation as a loss for him. its by no means what he originally wanted, but he chose to come back and accept the trade to the jets. if it was so bad for him he would have said no and stayed retired.
The whole one year thing is my big issue because just say favre says he's done. He has all the right too he played his years but where does that leave the jets?? We can't stop thee inevitable sooner then later we gonna need a QB to lead us. Which in turn we gave up a potential first most likely a second so we are back to square one. I'd rather us have another subpar season but give the QB of choice some field time to work the clunks out. One winning season to go back to a losing season just wouldn't be practical. Hopefully favre comes back for another year but we will need some to replace him asap!
I think both teams made out well. Green Bay had moved on and wanted him out of the NFC, we got a Hall-of-Fame QB who can still play.
