It's the same defense as last year. Admittedly with more injuries but still you can't blame it all on that. And don't forget they were leading the league in points scored by the defense a week or so back. Many games have been competitive but Rodgers has failed to come through during crunch time or when the team was depending on him. Whereas last year, Favre came through several times for the team (Chargers, Broncos, Chiefs, Seahawks, Lions, and there's probably more). Almost every week the team would depend on Favre and they knew he'd come through... so far Rodgers has failed multiple times
They don't want to talk about it over there. They don't even refer to Favre by name anymore. Its that unnamed guy....or BF or something else. Not cuz they miss him. Just bitter yet. Doesn't make much sense to me.
If you even mention Brett, your hung by a noose. Apparently, everything he is doing this season that is good apparently is all luck, and all things he has done for GB in the past was a joke, because we only appeared in two superbowls. Thus, Favre ultimately was a failure as a QB for us for 14 of his 16 seasons. Oh, and Brett is in no way outplaying Rodgers in any week this season. I mean, 6TD passes against The cardinals? HA, it's the CARDINALS! (noting hte cardinals ar ebetter then the packers, but I digress). Either way, Brett just cannot be talked about on packers forums. Sure, he always is brought up by the Favre fans, only to turn into a total bitchfest.
You're probably right, but there seems to be enough Favre/Packer fans on this site to keep this thread going.
I have been pretty much banned for my views on this Packer forum that I go to. They delete my posts, and harass me to no end. I don't enjoy going to the Packers forum anymore. They've all turned into TT zombies. They defend the guy to no end and will not question anything the organization does. People up there bash Favre left and right and downplay everything good that he did.
That's much closer to the problem than Aaron Rodgers is. I had Rodgers as my starting fantasy QB almost all season, so I watched the Packers. He's played well all year. A couple of bad interceptions on Monday night, and he had one other bad game this season, but he played through a hurt shoulder and he played well. The Packers are as bad against the run than the Broncos.
no question. Rodgers has been good this season and the Packers would be no better with Favre, unless you think Favre would make the run defense better.
Here's an example of the retardedness that is coming out of many Packer fans right now. This is a post and response I put up on packerpalace.com: Hey BeerKid, in response to your 2008 Prediction Response: You really think that Favre "quit on his team?" You equate retiring in March and wanting to come back three months later as QUITTING? Yeah, Favre made a bonehead decision by retiring early, but he DID WANT TO COME BACK AS A PACKER. Let's not leave out the fact that the powers that be, wouldn't have it. Right, wrong, or indifferent - if TT and MM would have said "wish you wouldn't have retired and missed out on two months of voluntary workouts, but of course we'll take you back" THEN BRETT FAVRE would be a Packer right now, and many of us believe that the team would be at least 8-3 right now as opposed to 5-6. Granted, that's pure speculation, but some of us believe that you DON'T FIX SOMETHING THAT ISN'T BROKEN and that you DON'T THROW OUT A PROVEN RECIPE that got you 13 wins. In August I predicted that the Packers would finish 7-9 (that was my sig) as opposed to your lofty 11-5. I took a lot of flack for being a darksider, but you know what I was right... I believe in accountability, enough of TT and MM's excuses. Proof is in the results, and 5-6 is not what we all had in mind when they sold Packer nation on trading Favre and building for the future. Favre is not to blame for our 5-6 record. Ryan _____________________ Hey Ryan, Yes, I believe I would call it "quitting" when you throw a surprise tearful goodbye press conference when just about everyone (that's Packer fans, NFL fans, and head coach Mike McCarthy) thought you were the default starting QB going into the off-season. Key word is surprise, INT to end the NFC championship game or not, back in February no one was doubting BF's physical or mental condition coming into this year. I don't know what to believe about BF wanting to return to the Packers this year. It's hard to state that there's all this animosity between TT and BF, without opening the floodgate to the possibility that BF wanted continue his NFL career somewhere else. I believe that Mark Murphy, TT and MM are being held accountable for how the team is playing this year, no one's happy, but it would take a total collapse in the team and the perception of confidence in the front office for either or all to lose their jobs. I don't believe things are so dire... I also believe in the if you win the opening coin toss, you should kick off and play defense first. I first came to love this philosophy when Reggie White was on the field in the 90's, but it's important on who has the ball as the 1st half closes and the 2nd half begins. The Saints got the cheap FG before half, and then on the opening possession of the 3rd qtr, marched down the field to score a TD - 2 straight possession, 10 points, Packers down by 2 scores. Having the chance to have the ball on 2 straight possesions should be a key part of every game day strategy. If you take the ball first and can't even manage a 1st down, ummm, that's failure. Finally, I believe that G Daryn Colledge is much better at his natural position of Tackle, which takes us back to the glaring need for improved interior line play from the Guards, which finally takes us to "RE-SIGN MARK TAUSCHER!"
Not even close. Starr was my hero as a kid and the only player of his time remotely comparable to Favre was the late Johnny Unitas.
Sort of. The vocals on the Forum are really steamed and since the team can do no wrong to many Favre is out. Fuck em, Favre lobbied hard for Moss and it cost us the SB last year. Pack would have been contenders this year again but TT screwed us. The thing about the Jets is that they are getting better week by week.
Solid post but disagree, on this issue. Get the ball first and establish yourself and score 1st. The best teams keep the pressure on their opponents. Only if its out doors and the wind is a big issue do you elect to kick-off 1st.
You should consider watching the Packers before making a weak attempt to bash my post. In other words, you are wrong. Another Favre fanboy who isn't a Jets fan.
the bottom line is they're 5-6 with Rodgers whereas last year they were 10-1 at this point. Yes, ten and ONE! it's not even close how much better they were with Favre.
they aren't the same team this year. A lot more changed than the QB position. The Packers ran the ball better last season and were much better against the run. Blaming the record on Rodgers is infantile and reflects a lack of football knowledge.
The Packers might have been better with Favre, the way he played last year and the way he likely would have played there this year. But part of the Packers' dominance last year was their great defense. They lost a few starters on their defensive line, and now they can't stop the run. That is the fundamental problem with the Packers. Not Rodgers. You can't convince me otherwise. Would they have won another game with Favre instead of Rodgers? I'll give you guys the benefit of the doubt and say yes. But long-term, it was clearly the smart move giving Aaron the start, and I don't think it's hurt them this year at all. Just because the record is different with a new quarterback doesn't mean it's all because of the QB.
How has the team changed? They're defense is basically the same except no Corey Williams. Their offense has only upgraded at the TE and WR spots and now they have the same run game that was so great last year, except this year they have Grant the whole year and not just for half a season like last year. Injuries happen every year. The difference between this year and last is that Favre won most of the close games. Rogers just folds when the pressure is on.
This crap always pisses me off. A bunch of excuses for why Rodgers hasn't produced the wins. Favre produced wins for 16 years! He went through plenty of "injuries" and "poor rushing attack" points throughout his seasons. He still won... Stop with excuses, some people just seem to always be on the winning end. Who knows why, they just are. But excuses are always a sign of a weak argument. I'm not blaming Rodger's at all for the downfall, that rests squarely with the front office...
