Hey look at Warner and Collins. Old guys can play this game. The problem with Favre is he's tough to coach. Not because he's uncoachable but because you have to reel him in and I think at age 40 there are very few who could do that.
That's why I'm thinking they need a legend to coach here if he's coming back. Guys like Cowher and BP will not only get in his grill, he'll listen to them. I still like favre in spite of all the hatred for him here on the board, and if he comes back i'll be rooting for him. Is there really any choice if you're a jet fan? you root for the laundry. As I posted yesterday, I'll root for whoever the QB is, whether it's Chad, or Favre, or Ratliffe, or Clemens.
You Can't Buy A Championship Business issues are important, but they cannot prevail on the playing field. The team's chemistry and how it reacts to the competitor's strategy and reactions is an irrational dynamic that doesn't lend itself to earnings before income tax and depreciation allocations... A recipe doesn't change positively when you double or treble up on one of the ingredients. Grown people should know something about this precept. A wealthy NFL franchise with a ten year waiting list such as the NYJs has no business being impatient because of one year's fiscal tactic (I wouldn't even dignify this last year as a strategy). Firing Mangini appears to be pandering to the slavering masses of the moment. Firing Mangini implies that the players (and especially Favre) were victimized this season. The fact that all the coaches (even those NOT under contract) have been told to hold on indicates that Management is not as certain of the future as this decision has shouted. I don't know all the reasons why the NYJs started losing after TN. Now, without the head around to participate in the forensics, only distortion will ensue when the Powers That Be go after what's ailin' the NYJs... Bad precipitous move, in my opinion. Fast cave-in to the Bread N Circus's crowd.
Why can't anybody say what the real problem was BRET FUCKING FAVRE he is a god damn turnover machine. Bringing him in to the fold is one of the biggest reasons we fell apart at the end of the season. Dude had two good games all year. If they got rid of mangini they should get rid of the rest of the coaching staff. Favre created a riffed in the locker room that the Jets could not overcome in the end. As a long time Jets fan I am used to the coaching carrosel. It wasn't all mangini's fault but somebody had to be the scape goat. The fans (myself included) bitched so much about mangini something like this was bound to happen.
Know what...has the possibility that Mangini tanked the season been considered? Crazier shits happened.
Saying Cowher is better then Mangini is unfair. How much experience has Cowher had over Mangini? How many season looked just as bad, if not worse then, Mangini's? When you commit to something, it takes time. Since commitment is such a huge fucking problem with this organization, we are probably fucked. If we can't commit to a promising HC, how are we ever going to get any better? Is it any wonder we haven't won a superbowl in 40 years? Honestly.. This was a huge mistake. I wish Mangini the absolute best.
You know I read this board alot and generally disagree with almost everything you write, but I am in agreement with you on this one. I think Woody is simply listening to a knee jerk fan base and abiding to Brett Favre, who could care less about this team imo, by hiring someone he can co-exist with. Granted, Mangini fucked up with this collapse, but I think with some changes to the coordinators (namely an aggressive D Coord) and telling Brett to hit the fucking road would allow the Jets to hit the ground running next year. Of course I don't know the overall consensus on Mangini by players in the locker room, because if it wasn't good then obviously I'm wrong, but honestly I think that minor tweaks to this team was all that was/is needed. Favre forced this CS to cater to his BS all year and it had alot to do with why guys like Leon lacked the touches every week. Watch Kerry Rhodes comments on Favre's return: There is no way the players feel like dealing with his prima donna bullshit next year. I am the first to complain about Mangini not being emotional, not making adjustments and refusing to be VERY aggressive on defense, but I feel as if every coach evolves over time and I think those things would and will be rectified by him in the future. I will still be rooting for this sorry ass franchise, as I always do, but am feeling as if we may have made a mistake. I obviously hope Cowher does well if he comes here. I prefer we bring in the Ryans so we can someday have a dominant defense. BTW, How many coaches have won Superbowls with two different teams?
I can see Favre staying with this team, we hire a guy he's comfortable with, and we make a big run. I saw someone make a Holgrem thread. Would that be crazy?
Matt Raich may be the second coming of Buddy Ryan for all we know, but if he's being groomed for a DC position by the same people that are currently running that team's defense...no thanks. The Cardinals gave up 426 points this year (we gave up 356), including letting us put 30 on them in a half. This is the crack staff of defensive coaching talent that is molding a future superstar coordinator? Yikes. If the Jets can get Cowher, this move will work out. If they replace Mangini with some also-ran who will need new personnel, schemes and time to make it all work...we've just set ourselves back on yet another rebuilding plan, and that wasn't the point of spending $100m plus in the off-season. 5 months ago, the plan was to win now. Guys like Revis, Dustin Keller and even Leon Washington will be around and in their prime long enough to make rebuilding work. You can't say the same for Jenkins, Faneca, Thomas Jones, Coles, Ellis, etc. who will either be gone or past it in 3 years when a re-built team would be ready to compete. So, that "short list" of coaches is a lot shorter than we realize. Getting an up-and- coming assistant coach from "somewhere" runs counter to everything this team was built for in the last year, as you'd essentially be throwing out large chunks of that $ 160m off-season. It's Cowher, Marty, maybe Mariucci (who I don't want) and maybe 1-2 other guys, period. There is no time, with this current roster, for a "project" coach.
C'mon, why does every other word of every other post have to be a gratuitous f-bomb?! We've been over this. You were doing fine for four or five paragraphs. The board rule on profanity is: Any valid points you make get washed away in a flurry of f-bombs. It's unnecessary, and I do think it's excessive in this forum. Feel free when you're in the Trashtalking Forum. Everyone is emotional this week - agreed. But where you've been asked to cut it down (not even out, just down), and where you keep doing the same thing in the same way, it leads me to believe you're purposely dancing on the line and, even worse, waiving your private parts in the faces of those who have warned you. Last warning, then you'll have to take some time off.
Bill Cowher's first three years: 1992 -> 11-5, Division Title, Loss in Divisional Round 1993 -> 9-7, 2nd place, Loss in Wild Card Round 1994 -> 12-4, Division Title, Loss in AFC Championship game He didnt have a losing season until his 7th season. He won 5 division titles in his first 6 years. He reached 3 AFC Championship games, and won one of them in those 6 years. Why did Pittsburgh commit to Cowher? Because he showed them he deserved it. If Mangini had come in and done that I don't think anyone would have been calling for his head...
Ok.. First of all. Cowher did not inherit a Herman Edwards team. He inherited a Chuck Noll team. Noll was the head coach there for years, so obviously he knew how to put a team together. Mangini didn't walk into the door to take over the reigns of a team that was put together by a HOF coach. That is kind of a big difference. Still not a fair comparison. Sorry.
Luckily for Cowher, if he's hired he'll be taking over one of the more talented teams in the AFC. I'm bumping this to apologize to the mods about the cursing spell in the OP. I was a bit upset at the stupidity of the franchise yesterday. It was a *little* excessive.
Yea, but theres a difference between being talented and missing the playoffs. Mangini missed the playoffs in 2 of his last 3 years with the Jets. Does that mean our roster lacks talent?
I'm guessing if you miss 6 out of the last 7 years, you have no talent on the roster. I'm not sure what you're arguing. What I'm saying is that Cowher probably walked into a worse situation in Pittsburgh, in terms of what he had there to work with.
I'm just saying that you don't know for sure and I don't know for sure...but considering Noll's reputation in the draft...well I'd find it hard to believe that Cowher took over a team with no talent. The thing about football is that you have to look really carefully to make sure this is right...for example Leon Washington is not going to go down as an all time great anything, nor is he probably going to be remembered by non-Jets fans if the Jets keep being the Jets...but we all know he's good as hell. For all we've researched, Cowher might have gotten just that. Losing has never meant you had no talent. It just means you lost. People get over losses all the time. The day the Jets, their media, and their fans realize this is the day this franchise will be something.
prior to Cowher taking over, the Steelers hadn't won more than nine games in 8 years. 91: 7-9 90: 9-7 89: 9-7 88: 5-11 87: 8-7 86: 6-10 85: 7-9 84: 9-7 the team either wasn't very good or Chuck Knoll simply wasn't a good coach any longer, which your argument seems to depend on because you are claiming Cowher took over a good team that simply underperformed under a bad coach that was ripe to play better. but the flaw in your argument is that you are crediting Chuck Knoll with personnel savvy based on past years of success when ignoring that past success as a means to discredit his coaching. it is simply hypocritical.
Yes, but judging the talent level of a team by it's won loss record is extremely difficult. Would anyone here call the 2008 Jaguars a 5 win team before they actually saw it happen? These kind of things matter in football...it's the ultimate game of inches...missed and taken opportunity...the difference between a win and a loss on Sunday can usually be taken down to like 3-5 plays...it's just how shit is. Maybe Noll just didn't have it as far as coaching went, but the man pretty much rebuilt the Steelers and played a part in the NFL draft becoming the NFL DRAFT(!). While a man's passion to coach the game every week might die down, I don't think the ability to evaluate talent really does.
