Yes, Spagnuolo is liked in New York, already lives here, has the fire we like and is well liked by the players. That all won't even get you a bag of chips! First, he is a rookie HC and has no connections or experience with any good or reliable DCs or OCs. He would be hiring his assistant coaches based on film and word of mouth. The best OCs & DCs out there will be reluctant to work for a rookie coach, especially one with less experience that they have. Which means we would probably be stuck with the ones we already have or rookies at those positions too. Second, He has never coached the offense at any position, game planned or called plays. He would be a bump on the log while the offense is on the play. Maybe he could be an Edwards and just write/circle a players number on the board and say they need to get the ball more. Third, the experience he has is with a 4-3 defense and we just spent three years getting all the right players for the 3-4. So we would have to switch players or player positions. If we stay with the 3-4 he would be no better to the defense as he would be to the offense. We need more than a motivator, after all that is what we had in Edwards. Lastly he is nothing more than an easy pick who has only limited time as a DC himself. Yes this is more experience than Edwards or Mangini had when we hired them, but I hated those picks too. A defense is easier to coach when they aren't on the field the whole game. The Giants offense helps the defense and in-turn makes it look better than it is. If we want a DC for HC why not look at the Ravens or Titans, they have better defenses and more experienced DCs too. There are too many good HCs with experience available!!!!
I don't know -- I can see the argument against making another coordinator hire. It hasn't exactly worked out for us recently. That said, he did win a Super Bowl as a DC, and arguably shut down the best offense in the last decade. Plus, he's a bit more charismatic than Mangini, supposedly part of his downfall. For what it's worth, Giant DC's haven't exactly been the worst hires ever -- Parcells, Belichick, Fox.
i agree with you on his inexperience with offensive schematics. however, this is something that can be worked around. we can find our offensive guy. for example, joe philbin, the offensive coordinator for the green bay packers. flash dollars and an assistant head coach title in his face. then all of a sudden you have 2 guys that are amongst the best in the nfl in scheming. have spags focus on his D and gradually work his way into overseeing the whole operation. As for switching from the 3-4 to the 4-3. it is very possible, just ask the Steelers and Mike Tomlin. it is easier to go from 3-4 to 4-3 without a doubt. and i got news for you. OUR 3-4 SUCKS! So switching will be an improvement.
Spagnuolo would be a continuation of the trend of copycatting other franchises... which works for some teams, when they actually give the HC time to rebuild the team with personnel that work in the scheme, but that won't happen here. We'd change back to a 4-3, cut players, draft new ones, sign more, and when the rebuild doesn't go fast enough, dumbass Woody will fire him and go for the next copycat job. We need a coach that can use the personnel we currently have and begin to succeed immediately, and continue success. You can list all of the 1st time HC Super Bowl winners you want, until you are blue in the face, and it won't matter because this is the Jets.
I agree, we need someone who can get the most out of what we already have. If we want a Giants DC then just waite for the original one (Parcells), why get a copy when the original will be available.
its obvious our personnel is not good enough to run the 3-4. u can sight all the trends you want. mangini was unsuccessful in new england and we brought him in. look at the numbers. he didn't even have close to spags is credentials when he became hc. spags transformed the giants into the scariest D on the planet. what other dc in the league can touch him?
And did he have to rebuild the defense? Or was he able to use the same scheme and alter it? His scheme involves a ton of pressure, and we don't have a single decent 4-3 edge rusher on the team.
you can either take a chance on a hot rookie coach or you can recycle the same garbage that's already out there i'd prefer we took a chance on him our one chance to go above both of those was cowher and that isn't happening, so i'd rather take a chance on spag ... he would definitely need a capable offensive co-coordinator though since he would be relatively useless in that aspect going from the 3-4 to the 4-3 isn't a big deal, who knows, maybe gholston will be better in the 4-3 ... in fact we may be better suited for the 4-3 at this point since we'll be letting barton go ... the giants front 7 has been great even when it's beaten up and you think they aren't going to do anything ... i think he can work with whatever we have with a few adjustments
I just figured out what really bugs me about Spags. I'm hearing the same kind of things about him I heard about Marinelli before he left Tampa. The only difference is I think Marinelli only coached the defensive line but was an assistant HC for 3 years. I just dont like it, other than being a players coach tell me what is so great about Spags anyway??
I like Spags, but the truth could end up sucking as much or more than Mangini. It is really impossible to predict. Some guys are great Coordinators (Wade Phillips, Norv Turner) but can't cut it as #1 guys. To be fair, the only way to know if is to give him 3 years. Our team is built to win now. We have a bunch of aging veterans (Faneca, Coles, Tony Richardson). If Spags can't get us farther than Mangini did, aren't we worse off than when we started? I like the idea of going with a proven commodity this time around. Who that is I anybody's guess.
Didn't the 3-4 4-3 switch get covered before??? He don't have the LB's, DT, or DE's.. To run a 4-3.. All the guys we have are 4-3 flunkies...
That's not necessarily a negative. I mean, more of a chance of basing a candidate on his qualification than on being buddies.
Every time an offensive or defensive coordinator is hired as a head coach it's copycatting another franchise. And most of the time it's because that franchise has great players, when if your team did they wouldn't be looking for a new head coach.
