Well we all have heard the rumors lately of the Texans trading down. Whether its true or just media speculation, the team with the best cards to get their number one pick is the Jets. Now the question that is posed, is "Is Bush worth it?" Sure he would make a huge impact on our team, but we would need to give up our 4th, 29th, and more, when we could be using those picks to draft valuable offensive lineman or other positions of greater need. What's your opinion on Bush's value to the Jets and is he worth all of that?
Give me a specific offer, and I'll decide if it's worth it. I would trade 4 and 29 to get Bush. I would trade 4, 29, and a 4th rounder for Bush. I would not trade 4, 29, and 35.
No... If I were the Jets, I'd stay put at #4. I would probably even consider trading down considering all the holes you need to fill.... Personally, I praying the Jets don't end up with Leinart....
4, 29 and the 4th rounder are about what the value chart dictates. I'm as big a proponent as any to build the O-line first, but for a chance to pickup this guy I'd do it. It's not very often you're in a position to get the first pick in the draft (hopefully). It would be difficult to pass up an opportunity to draft bush if it presented itself, though I would understand why we wouldn't.
That's exactly how I feel. I'd give up the 2 1sts and 1 of our 4ths. As long as a #1 next year is NOT involved and our 2nd this year is NOT involved. This is too good of a draft to be giving up a lot of picks
OK, but knowing the value of this pick is a bit more than what its shown, do you think they'd try and milk us for our compensation pick, or even a 2nd rounder?
I'll speculate. Given that the Texans are pretty set as far as RB and KR/PR, they would probably rather go with someone else if they got a good trade offer. They probably have more holes to fill than we do. Yeah they'd probably TRY to get us to offer more but I'd bet that if we played our hand right they'd settle for 4, 29 and fourth rounder, unless someone else made a better offer. Just my opinion.
Thats right. Top pick is worth 3000 pts and we at #4 have 1800 pts so the shortfall would be made up from the 29 pick and the 35. So if thats what it would take then no it would not be worth it as we have too many needs.
You guys are right, I miscalculated when adding! I guess I got so excited at the thought of having bush that the blood wasn't all in my brain. What if we could offer a second rounder next year instead of this year? Would you do it then?
I'm not sure where you guys are getting your point-value charts from, but from what I've seen, 4+29+4th rounder isn't even close to the first overall. 1st overall = 3,000 4th overall = 1,800 + 29th overall = 640 + 4th rounder = somewhere between 50-100 about, which equals roughly 2500. We would still need another 500, which would be our first 2nd round choice. In other words, 1st overall selection = our 4th, 29th, and the 35th, in terms of pure points.
the only way i would trade up is give #4 and #29 to N.O and get Leinart...........we would also have to give up #35 to get to #1 to get Bush and we just can't afford it right now
This sort of ridiculous logic should have no place in the decision making of the Jets management at this point. Right now, they have a 29 and a 4th rounder...They dont have Abraham and they dont have Edwards. If you go into the draft deciding that the 29 needs to be worth abraham rather than that the 29 needs to be used to the best it possibly can be to make the team better, then you end up doing something that doesnt necessarily lead to the greatest possible jets team at this point. We cant go back in time. We can only maximize our value of what we have to work with now, regardless of how we got here
In this draft it's a buyer's market. If Houston and New Orleans want to trade down, they won't get "pick value chart" value, for a couple of reasons: 1)By both Houston and New Orleans wanting to trade down, that devalues both picks, as there are not likely to be too many suitors that want to move up. Supply exceeds demand. 2)It's a deep draft, and there's not a tremendous drop off in talent. 3)It's common knowledge that both teams prefer to trade down versus staying and drafting the BPA at their respective spots. If/when one of these teams moves down, you can throw the pick chart out the window, because they won't make a deal in line with those charts. If either team can get a top 10 pick and an additional first or early second rounder, they may bite on it, even though the chart says not to.
If we can trade 4,29 and a 4th for Reggie Bush, sign me up. I think it is possible, i am not sure if Mangini would do it, but it would be one heck of a way to make a splash for the new dynamic duo. i dont think Houston or NO get draft chart values, b/c in the end the best decision for both teams is to trade down, it makes more sense. Houston would be thrilled to go to 4 and get D'Brick so Carr can throw the ball and pick up the 29th pick for other holes. They are a better team if they trade down and can fill numerous holes instead of wasting money on DD/Bush at RB while trying to open holes/protect Carr with pushovers up front. If they get a line(DBrick is a good start), their O could be very good without Bush. Bring him to NY. He splits with Curtis, lines up outside to complement Coles/McCareins/Cotchery. He adds extra dimensions which is something I think Mangini loves about players.
after reading some of your posts, its only strengthened by belief that the texans have no need for reggie bush. although bush is touted to be one of the best prospects of the past decade, he just doesnt really fit well for a team that won 2 games last year. theyve already got a 25 year old back that had two straight years of 1,000 yards rushing and 8 touchdowns, prior to last season when he hit just 976 yards of rushing in 11 starts. what im saying is that the texans certainly have more glaring holes to fill than running back. theyve got the leagues 2nd worst defense, accompanied by a disasterous offensive line and a quarterback thats got about 1 season left to show he can play in the nfl. it would make more sense for the texans to trade back and grab a pair of late to mid first round picks, than to hold onto the #1, and dish about $20 Million signing bonus to reggie bush.
I wouldn't give up 4, 29, and 35 for him (hell, with the depth of this draft that's basically 3 first rounders), but I would give up 4, 29, and a fourth or something along those lines. As said above, wanting to trade down decreases the value of the pick a bit, so I don't think it's out of the question. However, it is more improbable, considering Houston could get sweeter offers from other teams.
