damn shame, bryan cox was one of my favorite jets. I guess it was kind of necessary kind of cleaning house.
He did shit to move our D-line along. What positives did he bring to the team other than the fact that he used to be a player AND that he wore a neck-roll?
Never understood why he was a DLine coach and not a LB coach actually. I thought he did a respectable job considering the lack of good players for 3-4 and when we did have the right guys our DLine did very good last year.
Hello Jets fans!! I could not post a new thread since I'm new to this board, so I felt maybe this would help get my questions answered. First, I am a Cleveland Browns fan sent here to pick the brains of the Jets Faithful. I'm not here to disrespect you or your team. I respect the Jets and there fans for there love and knowledge of the game!! So here we go What was the reasons you think Mangini was Fired?? I need details! Not he sucked or he was a bad coach.. What did he do to deserve being removed? I'm not really sold on him as of yet as our coach here in Browns Town. Was he for or against Farve coming in? What led to the bottom dropping out on last season? These things would be helpful... Do you think he can learn from his mistakes?? Thanks you!
To answer the question about him learning from his mistakes, I'll say he will not learn from his mistakes. Mainly, b/c when a coach is fired from his first job, usually he has some time to reflect on his time as coach and learn. In Mangini's case he no time to step back and look at his previous coaching job with the jets, he went right in about a week later to coach the Browns-no time to learn or to reflect. Also, he didnt seem to learn from year to year with this team, so I see no change.
Remember when he played with a broken leg? I think it was against Lions and John Hall missed that field goal and knock us out of playoffs. He was a tough dude. I hated him in Miami but he was funny. Flicked off the crowd. Threw his helmet in the stands. What a Nut..
hello locnar, well some would say he was a scape goat. someone had to be held accountable for our collapse last year and not many mangini jerseys were being sold, so he got fired. He didn't show any emotion on the sideline, just stood there with his poker face chewing his gum. He seemed incapable of making any half time adjustments. He was power hungry and hand cuffed his cordinators, or so we've been told. I do not know if he wanted favre here or not, my guess is he didn't have a choice in the matter. and his press conferences were horrible to watch. as for learning from his mistakes, his lack of ability to make half time adjustments tells me no. but hey, you never know.
Welcome to the board. I was a big supporter of Mangini when he was here and even after he was fired but everything he has done since taking the Browns job tells me that he hasn't learned from his mistakes. He is alienating people in the locker room, especially Shaun Rogers who is one of the Browns most important players. His whole white-washing of the mural of Browns greats tells me that all of the reports of him being a control freak that came out after he was fired are still very much true. One of his biggest criticisms coming out of the organization was that he's too heavily involved with the minutia of the game and doesn't let his coaches do any of the real coaching. He also made some bad calls during games like punting when he should have gone for it (debatable since I think most coaches suffer from this). On the plus side, he knows the game and, according to Mike Francessa, he's a fixture in the film room. Aside from that, there's little more I can tell you now. It'll be difficult to determine until the season actually starts.
Hello Locnar! Let me see if I can help... the single biggest reason Mangini got fired was for a lack of flexibility... he had a gameplan, and he was sticking with it... no matter how bad things got. At first you might figure that's a good thing... but in Mangini's case, it was too a folly. Second, even though he ran a "3-4" defense, and was given appropriate personnel to run that defense, the truth is we were really running a "1-2-8" defense. If you look at the Jets statistics from the past year, you'll see we had a fair amount of sacks but don't let that fool you... most of the sacks were coverage sacks. We also could never get off the field on 3rd down. It was so bad at times that we'd give up bombs on 3rd and 20. Third was Vernon Gholston. The guy was drafted to be a pure edge rusher in the 3-4 since we didn't really have one, and Mangini spent training camp and the season training him to run containment and zone coverage... and believe me when I say that Gholston looked like a deer in headlights. Not once was he given the chance to flash the ability he showed in college when he smoked Jake Long. Mangini isn't all terrible. Overall he's a decent coach, great with fundamentals, and I think he has a good eye for talent. With him and Tannenbaum, the Jets usually addressed areas of need fairly immediately and adequately. Favre was a move that could've made Mangini look like a genius, though that imploded along with the rest of the team down the stretch. Expect a lot of frustrating times under Mangini. If he doesn't change his ways he'll show promise here and there, but don't expect him to ever "break out". It is possible he'll learn from his mistakes with the Jets, but I'll believe it when I see it.
The biggest reason to me was that he never truly learned from his mistakes. He made mistakes during the last 4 games that you would expect from a rookie coach, not from a 3rd year coach. When you don't show progress, and worse, show regression, it's hard to think things will be different going forward. On a side note, I was a supporter of his until that fateful Seattle game.
The one reason I'll always love Bryan Cox is that NFL Films thing he did when was miked for the infamous "Flashlight Game" and he was yelling at Testeverde during the third quarter to "keep your head up, You're our Man." And then after Chrebet caught the winning TD (even though it was a halfback option), Cox ran right over to Vinny and screamed in his face "that's RIGHT, What Did i Tell You, You're our MAN." Just screaming in his face and hugging him. I saw that and I was just like "Holy Shit, that's a football player right there." That's the kind of guy you take a bullet for there. It's that kind of attitude all Jets fans have to love.
