Starting D...as I see it

Yeah, I think that's pretty much what it's going to be. We need depth on the DL and inside LBs but other than that we should start to focus on getting some playmakers on Offense now.

 

Not to nitpick but i would think Elam would be higher on the depth chart than Eric Smith.... other than that my only complaint is that i just don't think Gholston will line up at end in the 3-4, in our 4-3 sets, i could see it, but not really in the 3-4.

 

As of now Elam may not even be a Jet in 2009. They have yet to match the Browns' offer sheet.

 

ah i didnt even see that the browns had given elam an offer sheet, i knew they were bringing him in, but i didnt realize that he had signed anything...

 

We're still terrible weak at DE and Thomas/Gholston side (right side?). You cannot count on VG turning it around. Maybe he does but you can't count on it.

"Ellis is a hero to some, but he never meant shit to me" since Abraham left. His "excellent" year last year was the best one can hope for now and it really wasn't that good. It was average for an NFL DE and poor when you consider we need to get at the QB.

We better get a OLB who can play 60mins and a DE who can make some progress towards the QB. I'd go with any of the young guys (Murrell, Trusnik, etc.) over Thomas. At least they would play hard and maybe learn and get better.

 

I know Im gonna get attacked for this, but, Dewayne Robertson is still out there as a free agent. If they can get him cheap, which it appears he doesn't have too many suitors as he has been out there for awhile, why don't they finally do the D-Rob as a 3-4 Defensive End rather than tackle experiment?

 

He led all 3-4 DE in sacks. He's not a top tier player but he's still very solid and does everything you can ask for in a 3-4 defensive end.

 

with all the $$$$$$ the jets paid dslob over the years (for nothing), he should pay the jets to play.

 

Agreed charge his ass to play the waste of a draft pick he was........

 

Yes, they did pay him alot of money. But come on, he definitely became a solid player when he was in the 4-3. We all knew he wasn't a 3-4 nose tackle. I mean if the Jets were running a 3-4 when he came out, they never would've drafted the guy.

 

i'm so sick of people bashing ellis

no, he's not an elite player, but he has done his job year in and year out without complaint and has been an above average player with or without an elite player on the other side (mostly without)

he's a leader and he does his job, he was one of the few bright spots for our defense last year in a position that doesn't require a lot of flash

 

I couldn't agree with your more. He has been an above average soldier for the team and always grinds away at his job without a complaint. A true team player.

 

Gholston at 3-4 DE = Massive Fail.

Gholston isn't even in 285 range when it comes to weight. He's at LEAST 20 lbs short. If Jenkins lines up to the right (to help out Gholston), engaging LG/C, opposing offense will have no problem accounting for both Ellis AND Gholston by double-teaming Gholston with LT/TE and Ellis with RG/RT. Bad part is, Gholston will be hideously pan-caked and LT/TE will move up to the next level, taking on LILB and LOLB. That means toss/pitch/counter to the left is going to get a minimum of 7 to 10 yard at LEAST, if not more (and "more" side would be the case, more often than not). Massive, MASSIVE Fail.

 

That's a positive stat and to his credit. But watching every game except St. Louis, it is my opinon that his play, except when lined up at tackle a few times, was not meaningful in terms of wins or defensive stops.

That said, maybe if we had a strong DE on the other side, his play would become more meaningful. Also, I believe he lines up in front of Thomas, so he gets no support from behind.

I guess I'll change my mind and acknowledge Ellis may still be useful if we put a strong LB on the outside behind him and/or improve DE on the other side.

 

When we signed Howard Green, Hutchinson's article said they could play Green at nose sometimes and slide Jenkins out to end. This is what they do in Baltimore, with Kelly Gregg on the nose and Ngata playing end. I can't wait to see how Ryan uses Jenkins in his schemes.

 

I object to Eric Smith being a Jet under any circumstances, no matter where he is on the depth chart.

 

I remember when J.Abe were a Jet... Yeah the man was a great rushing DE for our 4-3 Defense and I loved the guy, but you know what? Ellis was ALWAYS that Defensive End who you knew would give it his all with each and every game and I wont lie, Ellis would come up HUGE in games where J.Abe was either (injured, on the sidelines, or bitching and moaning about million dollar contracts.)

I'm not sure about you, but I know about me...Ellis has really earned my respect as a Jet, and if you ask me... Ellis is the heart of this Jets Defense (Who else has been here for as long as Ellis?) IMHO, He represents the city of New York well and he's the real Definition a Jet; A player who gives it his all with each and every snap of the ball. He's the big cat who keeps the the team together on the field and really plays with a motor thats second to none on Sundays and believe me...Ellis may be an old DE playing a "Not so sexy" DE position, but Ellis wants to win and I honestly feel that players around him feed off of that type of hunger to battle it out with the tough O-Lines of the NFL each and every week.

As a 3-4 DE, I think Ellis is in his "Natural position", It's no secret that J.Abe was a natural OLB (In College) and a natural 4-3 DE in the NFL, but Ellis has always been best suited for a 3-4 Defense thats trying to run a tough, grind it out style of play that has him taking up blocks against the O-Line in order for the Outside Linebackers to do what they do best...Rush the Quarterback.

When thinking about Ellis...Think of 3-4 Defensive ends who wrack up alot of sacks and believe me you...DE's like Freeney, J.Taylor, Mathis, Peppers, J-Abe are all 4-3 Defensive ends, those guys wouldnt survive (Production wise) if they were in a 3-4 scheme and thats what I love about Ellis and have loved about Ellis throughout the years...They man has the "Toughness" to man the 3-4 DE Position and that gets overlooked by many of Jet fans.

Coleman may not be a "jag" but he's a player who Rex Ryan and company should look to replace with better overall talent and believe me...There is a reason why Ellis has been a Jet since the day we drafted him and I have a feeling that Rex Ryan can count on Ellis to be the everyday DE while he builds a tough Defense around "Superstar players" like Harris and Rhodes and Revis along with Jenkins while having REALLY solid players like Pace, Scott, Sheppard and Ellis with younger prospects like Gholston, Leonard, Elam (If he doesnt go to the Browns). All I'm saying is this, it's always good to have deph on the D-Line...But Ellis is a player who can really run with this 3-4 D for another 2 maybe even 3 years while Rex Ryan builds a top 5 Defense for years to come.

Defense Wins Championships (That was my old SN @ JN,Com before I was banned) To make a long story short...Ellis has always been a "Championship type of player" In my eyes

P.S...I also think we ALREADY have our Nickel/Dime back of the future (Dwight Lowery) and we should have Revis for years to come... Sheppard is a great addition for this year and maybe another 2 years but its always a good feeling knowing that Rex Ryan and company will only have to focus on a solid #2 CB over the years to replace Sheppard and another safety to compete with Leonard and others because we already know we have our very own Ed.Reed and he goes by the name of... Kerry Rhodes. Our LB's seem to be set with the talent and potential we now have and the D-Line seems to be our major concern as far as deph goes but I feel Ellis is a strong player to have in any type of 3-4 D

 

And he smokes weed

 

You make good points. I tend to agree with you. But if we merely keep Coleman and Ellis with Thomas, we will not be much better on D than we were last year. We need to upgrade two of the three. Ellis is the best of the 3 so maybe you'd agree we should upgrade on Coleman and Thomas. The DE signed the other day from the Ravens does not seem to have the history to be a significant upgrade on Coleman.